Starmer calling for lockdown (Edited by GNHQ)

Ilovecheese

I thought antibiotics had no effect on viruses.

They don't. They have no effect at all.

I thought antibiotics had no effect on viruses.

I gave the wrong impression- never intended to mean that because I lived throuh WW2 my immunity was stronger.
Do you think the modern dependece on antibiotics has weakened our natural resistance to viruses?

Fennel

For those who don't see the relevance of the 1957 Asian flu epidemic.
I think the poster who started that suggested that the reason it didn't seem to last long was because in those days our resistance/ immunity levels were higher.

But they weren't. It was a novel virus and there was no immunity, although it's been suggested (not proved) that some old people had some immunity from the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic. It had no connection with having survived WW2.

Lucca

Janpt

Whitewavemark2

“respectable families” there is a phrase I haven’t heard since the 60’s??

MORES THE PITY !!!!

I taught in a school in a town practically famous for its respectability. I can tell you that bad behaviour in young people from what you would term respectable families is not automatic !! Often it’s worse as it is accompanied by arrogance !

I wouldn't describe arrogance as a definition of a respectable family but as you say one which produces the over indulged badly behaved young people we now see. The drunken louts leaving pubs, congregating in crowds and adding to the spread of the virus.

138 new deaths have been announced today. Just been having a "discussion" with somebody who thinks it's government propaganda - and only those over 60 with underlying conditions die anyway.

After I was called a Conservative shill (oh, the irony), I politely pointed out that I'm over 60 and have underlying health conditions, so presumably my death wouldn't matter. It's shut her up for the moment.

For those who don't see the relevance of the 1957 Asian flu epidemic.
I think the poster who started that suggested that the reason it didn't seem to last long was because in those days our resistance/ immunity levels were higher.

Local area lockdowns in risk risk areas but not in areas of low risk. Seems to me it’s the University towns where more restrictions need to be put in place.

growstuff it’s so annoying when you see other people openly flouting the guidelines.

I am not on Facebook but, on the local Next Door page there are some who genuinely think that if and when there is a Covid vaccine it will contain some sort of chemical chip/tracer along with the usual it’s all a scamdemic fools.

Janpt

Whitewavemark2

“respectable families” there is a phrase I haven’t heard since the 60’s??

MORES THE PITY !!!!

I taught in a school in a town practically famous for its respectability. I can tell you that bad behaviour in young people from what you would term respectable families is not automatic !! Often it’s worse as it is accompanied by arrogance !

growstuff

*Please don't make excuses for this appalling behaviour. Their parents are partly responsible for the way they brought them up not knowing the difference between right and wrong. I don't think the anti-lockdown brigade would advocate them 'Getting on with their lives' in such a mindless, selfish manner and I don't think this behaviour is typical of people brought up in respectable families.*

What a load of nonsense! I know plenty of young people who were brought up in "respectable families" (as was I) but they and I did foolish things when young.

I take it you reject the herd immunity theory Janpt.

That doesn't surprise me !!

If you mean crowds of idiotic morons risking catching the virus we'll soon know but by then the N.H.S. will be overwhelmed and many innocent people will have died.

Janpt

Whitewavemark2

“respectable families” there is a phrase I haven’t heard since the 60’s??

MORES THE PITY !!!!

Oh dear!

Tweedle24

Lemongrove As usual, you are the voice of reason.

I see very little point in criticising the government, They won’t get it right whichever way they go. Some think the economy is the priority so criticise if things are closed, while those who think health is more important whinge if there is not a total lockdown.

Also, those who complain that “they are not taking SAGE’s advice’ forget that the government is also being advised by the economists. The other thing is the changing behaviour of the virus and the new facts about it that the researchers discover, It is a very narrow tightrope and, as I have said before, I am so pleased it is not my responsibility to have make those decisions.

Yes, the government could do something!

They could:

1 Transfer Test and Trace to local authorities and give Lady Harding the boot.
2 Liaise better with local authorities.
3 Compensate the people who can't work (as Sweden does).
4 Enforce the rules they've already made.

Whitewavemark2

“respectable families” there is a phrase I haven’t heard since the 60’s??

MORES THE PITY !!!!

GrannyGravy13

growstuff so we are in Tier 2 along with London from midnight tomorrow!!! Thurrock and Southend have rising numbers but are not going into/haven't requested to join Tier 2 (I know they are unitary boroughs).

I do not think it will make a difference to the R rate, people I know have definitely got lockdown/regulation fatigue .

Yes, we are. It won't make any practical difference to me. As far as I can tell, the only real difference is that households can't mix within the same house. I live on my own and the only person who has been in my house since March is my son. I guess he could form a bubble with me, but he's in Newcastle now and I won't be going anywhere near him, even at Christmas if he's allowed home, until he's self-isolated for two weeks.

There are loads of people moaning on the local Facebook page, but we were actually warned a couple of weeks ago and still people were saying that masks are a waste if time and that they weren't giving up on previous planned parties and seeing their relatives, etc. I've only been out a couple of times and I saw plenty of people in groups (no social distancing) without masks, sitting outside the pubs and cafes. Some of the questions people have are just daft - it's no flipping wonder that the number of cases in this district have trebled in two weeks. There's even a full-blown covid-denier in the local group, who thinks it's all a plot by a global conspiracy to control us. [sigh]

PS. Maybe they were all brought up in unrespectable families.

I had forgotten about Asian flu. I do remember being miffed because my school was closed down. I don’t know if all schools were closed or just those that had a lot of cases. I didn’t get it either.

Lemongrove As usual, you are the voice of reason.

I see very little point in criticising the government, They won’t get it right whichever way they go. Some think the economy is the priority so criticise if things are closed, while those who think health is more important whinge if there is not a total lockdown.

Also, those who complain that “they are not taking SAGE’s advice’ forget that the government is also being advised by the economists. The other thing is the changing behaviour of the virus and the new facts about it that the researchers discover, It is a very narrow tightrope and, as I have said before, I am so pleased it is not my responsibility to have make those decisions.

growstuff so we are in Tier 2 along with London from midnight tomorrow!!! Thurrock and Southend have rising numbers but are not going into/haven't requested to join Tier 2 (I know they are unitary boroughs).

I do not think it will make a difference to the R rate, people I know have definitely got lockdown/regulation fatigue .

Two of the most respectable (whatever that means) people I know have not practised any social distancing since this started. They are over 60 very law abiding, lots of community work etc etc. It has been amazing to watch. I am fascinated to be honest but its nothing to do with respectability.

MayBee70

Not necessarily Covid deniers but I do think this constant referring back to fly pandemics when ‘we just got on with life’ is a form of Covid denial. Or not exactly denying it but belittling it.

So do I! It's the same old same old! We were more resilient than this snowflake generation blah blah. It only kills about 1% of the people who catch, so what's the fuss about? In the war, we .... [yawn]

Please don't make excuses for this appalling behaviour. Their parents are partly responsible for the way they brought them up not knowing the difference between right and wrong. I don't think the anti-lockdown brigade would advocate them 'Getting on with their lives' in such a mindless, selfish manner and I don't think this behaviour is typical of people brought up in respectable families.

What a load of nonsense! I know plenty of young people who were brought up in "respectable families" (as was I) but they and I did foolish things when young.

I take it you reject the herd immunity theory Janpt.

maddyone

Are there any Covid deniers on Gransnet? Can’t say I’ve noticed any. Different opinions about how it should be dealt with, but no deniers that I’ve seen.

There has been at least one whom I can remember, who seem to think it's a hoax. There are others who think we should just get on with it and have voiced support for Gupta, Heneghan and Sikora. There have certainly been those who think any rules don't apply to them

Flu not fly.....

“respectable families” there is a phrase I haven’t heard since the 60’s??

Not necessarily Covid deniers but I do think this constant referring back to fly pandemics when ‘we just got on with life’ is a form of Covid denial. Or not exactly denying it but belittling it.