Boris' 'oven ready' deal becomes 'No Deal'

What a total and utter shambles! Thank goodness I am Scottish - that at least gives me some hope for the future.

Just watch the programme, WW

I mean if I can go online this minute and buy Aylesbury prepared duck then what is he saying?

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It doesn't mention the legislation but then why should it?

Well frankly yes if it is as ug reported it.

So the man lied on TV?

To be frank I think it is false information. I think ilovecheese is correct. That it must be produced in the area, like champagne but sold anywhere.

There are thousands of products we could name.

Melton Mowbray pies can only be marketed as such if they are produced in Melton Mowbray, but they can be sold anywhere. You don't have to travel to Melton Mowbray to buy one.

You could try watching the programme on iPlayer, WW then you might find the answers you're looking for.

Can I just correct the erronous assumption that all of us who voted remain are on the 'far left'? Many, many established and respected Tory MPs were remain supporters and were ultimately sacked for their belief in democracy and for representing their constituents beliefs, so you can drop that nonsense for a start. All I have read so far from Brexit supporters is a rather feeble 'it won't be too bad' response, or a pathetic cry for us to all buy 'British'. I haven't read any posts extolling the bright future we were all promised when we left the EU, and can I just point out, YET AGAIN, that we cannot just survive by shopping in a patriotic manner, we have never, and can never be self sufficient in food. Oh, and paddyanne a quick reminder that an awful lot of us here in England did not vote for this, so please stop blaming us.

Which farm is it? Only I found a farm on line selling Aylesbury duck and nothing about a 20 mile radius?

No disrespect to the duck, WW but they'll just be marketed as English farmed duck stating the area of provenance.

Aylesbury Ducks are a rare breed and can only be produced and sold in Aylesbury.

Same as Melton Mowbray pork pies.

merlotgran

The Aylesbury duck farmer bought stock from various blood lines (also in Aylesbury) when other farmers were getting out of poultry production. This was to ensure there would be no inbreeding as he would be the only producer left.

The legislation is ridiculous.

But why can I buy ducks from my farmer who lives over 100 miles away?

Of course we were told that the U.K. holds all the cards, that it will be the easiest deal in history and we will have our cake and eat it.

Are the Tories proud of the lies and incompetence?

Are you still in Spain Urmstongran, enjoying the benefits the EU gives you? Have you informed the authorities how long you have been there for fiscal reasons or are you still under the radar like so many Brits?

The Aylesbury duck farmer bought stock from various blood lines (also in Aylesbury) when other farmers were getting out of poultry production. This was to ensure there would be no inbreeding as he would be the only producer left.

The legislation is ridiculous.

I see that the U.K. s economy has been down graded to Aa3. This is the third downgrade since the Tories took office.

They inherited an economy that was graded as high as possible from Labour

The rating was Aaa.

WW Not unless it is being sold as a particular breed of duck that is only produced on that farm.

So the duck I buy from my farmer which is in Somerset and slaughtered there travels over 100 miles to me is illegal?

I simply don t understand What is being said?

You know what, Ug? I don't believe that for one moment.
Did he say exactly what rule he was citing?

I watched it as well. Because the ducks are slaughtered and prepared at the farm, thereby ensuring they do not have the stress of being transported to a slaughterhouse, EU legislation demands they can only be sold within a 20 mile radius.

Farmed white duck is often sold described as 'Aylesbury Duck' but the farm featured in the Hairy Bikers' programme is the only one in the UK that produces the original breed.

The only way anybody who lives further than 20 miles away can buy a pure bred Aylesbury duck is to drive there and buy it as a farm gate sale.

LauraNorder

I don’t quite know why it’s assumed I know nothing.
I am handling my own court case, I was merely pointing out that costs are beyond the reach of most in spite of the EU.
I am also aware of the changes to aviation, research and pharma but am optimistic that these areas will be sorted in good time.
I know I’ll be slated for optimism but I prefer to live life with belief in the capability of my fellow Brits than with total negativity and putting my country down as useless and incapable.

I hope you are right.

I hope many of us are wrong.

I really do.

I just can’t see a way that that will be the case

Lauranorder but we could have had higher standards inside the EU - many of our environmental standards remain below the EU standards, so why are assuming that leaving the EU means higher standards.? we weren’t prevented from having higher standards in the EU - it’s well documented USA has lower standards and Johnson wants us to import products from there which are not allowed by EU - as it’s standards are lower - can you defend that?

I don’t quite know why it’s assumed I know nothing.
I am handling my own court case, I was merely pointing out that costs are beyond the reach of most in spite of the EU.
I am also aware of the changes to aviation, research and pharma but am optimistic that these areas will be sorted in good time.
I know I’ll be slated for optimism but I prefer to live life with belief in the capability of my fellow Brits than with total negativity and putting my country down as useless and incapable.

LauraNorder if only we could go back to the 1970s you might be right. Unfortunately we are in the 21st century. Air travel (before Covid) has multiplied, we are taking ourselves out of the EU air travel agreements. We currently have agreement with US, Albania, Georgia, Iceland, Israel, Kosovo, Montenegro, Morocco and Switzerland while the negotiations with Canada are at an advanced stage. so travel unless we negotiate quickly will be limited. You can read about the problems here www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/future-relationship-aviation
Many universities, hospitals and laboratories will lose their funding and the brightest will follow the money. The Arts will be underfunded watch the credits on TV and films you will see the EU sign at the end of most of the things that are not made in the US. People will leave.
As for cheap food we will need US cheap food because we cannot supply enough home grown and we won't be able to afford EU prices. We are on a downward spiral.
I really don't understand why you would consider it a reason to support less access to the justice system if you have already experienced problems, it isn't going to improve you know. It will only get worse. Although actually suing someone for money is one of the areas where you can actually take action your self without using legal representation. It can be done even aginst large companies www.gov.uk/make-court-claim-for-money

Equally how do you know they won’t be better.

We know they won't be better because the government is desperate for a trade deal with the USA and the USA have stated that they want us to accept their food standards. Which are far lower than ours. What is more, they want to prevent us from allowing food to be labelled with its country of origin. So that we can't know whether what we are eating is their rubbish or our food produced to higher standards.

That is what happens when you are the smaller and weaker partner in a trade deal. The other side gets to call the shots.