If Trump loses we must not assume that it is back to the old politics

suziewoozie

If someone’s reasons are imo ridiculous I am completely entitled to say so .

Yes
But you can do it without insulting, or little digs.

You’re better than that.

Changing tack slightly - tonight’s debate will be interesting. Biden's going to stand there with a piece of paper with some zingers on it and hope to survive.

It's old school vs. new school. Biden is done.

Trump pledged to leave the Paris Accord in his manifesto in 2016. He kept his promise to his voters.

Urm, you are so right! He certainly isn't a politician and, as you say, he puts America first, so why would he deign to "look upon Brexit favourably"? (You're making him sound like some sort of god, though perhaps that's how he and his fans see him).

By the way, I do think that if that was a fresh approach, it has gone somewhat rancid over the years. (Which is fine if your taste runs to putridity.)

But, of course, we are all entitled to our opinions.

Urmstongran

Perhaps think on some of these Alegrias?

stream.org/30-good-things-president-trump-has-done-for-america/

I only read the first 4 before I lost the will to live.

So, he appointed a bunch of judges that don't take a liberal approach to the law, including being against abortion; tax cuts and deregulation that undermine support for the poor while portraying it as creating more jobs; rebuilding the military, when I think their military was quite strong enough, and finally, protecting unborn babies. I'm not even going to comment on that one.

Oh and number 11 - withdrawing from the Paris accord. How does anyone think that is a good thing? But most of all, number 25, a wise COVID response. See what I mean? Deluded....

I mostly agree Aleg but drawing parallels between such different examples diminishes the utter awfulness of what DT said. Context is also relevant.

Perhaps think on some of these Alegrias?

stream.org/30-good-things-president-trump-has-done-for-america/

suziewoozie I do think its all part of the same problem though. Lack of respect for people who disagree with you. I don't actually think most of the Tories deserve respect but I don't think AR did herself or the Labour party any favours with that language.

Mind you, Trump takes it to a whole different level, no argument there.

If the cap fits...

But in all seriousness, I really don't understand how anybody can support Trump. I'm not asking for an explanation, it's just beyond me.

Alegrias my criticism was the false equivalence drawn between AR I’ll advised use of the word scum and DT’s behaviour

I’ll take that last comment as a compliment shall I Alegrias?
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We were getting along so well too ...
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suziewoozie

Alegrias Trump has not an ounce of dignity, honesty, decency in his whole body has he? And that sums up imo everyone who supports him.

suziewoozie I certainly agree about Trump, but I think many (not all) of his followers are just deluded, or frightened, and don't have the ability to see the reality of the world. He appeals to the basest part of human nature.

Urmstongran

Mind you look at us here - not much better! Angela Rayner calling a Tory backbencher ‘scum’ yesterday. Not so much an Honorable Lady! She had to apologise.

Ug Regarding Angela Rayner, its not the way to behave, no matter how angry she was. I agree with you.

We're going to have to stop this agreeing, its not normal.

You see Urm that’s why I can’t take your opinions seriously - the false equivalence in your post is truly jaw dropping.

Alegrias Trump has not an ounce of dignity, honesty, decency in his whole body has he? And that sums up imo everyone who supports him.

Mind you look at us here - not much better! Angela Rayner calling a Tory backbencher ‘scum’ yesterday. Not so much an Honorable Lady! She had to apologise.

I agree with you there Alegrias.

Republican politician stands up for Trump, that's hardly a surprise though, is it?

I didn't say that Trump said it, but he called her dishonest and stood by while his rally chanted "Lock her up".

Do you remember in the 2008 election when some woman called Obama a terrorist and John McCain stopped her and told her she was wrong? Even though McCain was Republican and Obama was Democrat? That's how a grown up person is meant to behave.

Thank you Summerlove.
Much appreciated.
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Michigan’s Republican Speaker of the House, Lee Chatfield, wrote in a post on Twitter that he was “proud to speak in support of the President tonight! I’m excited to vote for him again. And no, Trump didn’t chant ‘lock her up’ about our Governor.”

“But others did and it was wrong,” he added. “She was literally just targeted. Let’s debate differences. Let’s win elections. But not that.”

If someone’s reasons are imo ridiculous I am completely entitled to say so .

suziewoozie

Urmstongran

I want Trump to win because I think his ties to us in the UK are strong (Scottish mother) and will be more willing than Joe Biden & the Democrats to look upon Brexit favourably, flump. Obama warned we’d have to be at the back of the queue. No so with Trump.

If you believe that you’ll believe anything. Oh wait, you do

She was asked her reasons and answered. I can respect that.

I might not agree, but I understand her thought process now.

We don’t always need to jump to insults. More understanding is key. Even when it doesn’t bring about similar ideologies

A woman interviewed on the Channel 4 news last night said she couldn't vote Democrat because they want to put her and people like her in concentration camps. In other places I've read that they want to kill babies and make the US a communist country.

Trump wouldn't condemn the militias who wanted to abduct and kill the governor of Michigan. That is, by any measure, shameful, not "fresh and direct". Instead, he encouraged his rally to chant "Lock her up".

There's really no hope for the US, is there?

I also like Trump because he’s not a politician. He has a direct and fresh way of looking at a situation. He puts America first.

He demonstrated the imbalance of NATO payments and called out EU member states for underpaying.

Other stuff too but I went over it all weeks ago. Too boring to read all over again for most.

Urmstongran

I want Trump to win because I think his ties to us in the UK are strong (Scottish mother) and will be more willing than Joe Biden & the Democrats to look upon Brexit favourably, flump. Obama warned we’d have to be at the back of the queue. No so with Trump.

If you believe that you’ll believe anything. Oh wait, you do