Farcical - UK wants access to EU gates at airports to avoid queues

The EU is not being stroppy or spiteful at all. They will make arrangements that suit them. They won't be dictated to or walked over by the UK.

At the end of the day, though, it's simply not in their interests to be difficult or obstructive. When something needs changing to make it work, it soon happens.

There are so many turnarounds at the moment who knows what rules may be relaxed or completely shelved in order to help the travel industry get back on its feet.

The views in my OP = that it is ridiculous to blame the EU for this. Bovvered or not, can you dispute that it is indeed ridiculous.

EllanVannin

I don't blame the EU for being stroppy. You ain't seen nothing yet.

Quite.

Yes- simply to show that there are views other than those expressed in your OP .

In the immortal words of the fragrant Lauren “Is I bovvered?”

would anyone bother to post if they were such? really.

Ah lovely- as said, if you read those comments, you would realise how many are agog with vitriol on this issue- and all Brexiters- I think that was the point. They voted for it ...

? ‘Agog with indifference’ is a lovely turn of phrase, Maw - hope you don’t mind me plagiarising that one!

Not something I’m getting hot under the collar about either.
Not planning to fly abroad till goodness knows when, and IMO there are many much more serious things to worry about than whether or not anybody has to queue - and indeed who is fussing about it.
If some people want to ask/moan/agitate - so be it , I’m agog with indifference.

Why would we ( or you ) biba want to read any comments in rags or FB about this?
If it makes you feel angry then stop reading these things.

Ps I don’t do FB. Never have.
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No biba I don’t know it. I can only go off what I read on this thread and sadly you seem so much more het up about the possibility of extended queuing times than any of us who voted Leave.

'Chill' comment is so out of order, and you know it.

Please go and see the dreadful comments from Brexit supporting rags and FB sites, etc- and tell them to chill- they really do need it.

The point here however- is that those going berserk about this- are the Brexiters, who voted for this- which is so ironical.

Yet if I may say so biba as a Remainer you seem so much more het up about this issue than us ‘Brexiteers’!

Chill.
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I agree Summerlove - they obviously don’t want to and certainly don’t have to.

No country has to, do they? Rules change all the time - as Biba has found to her cost when she planned her live of ease flitting back and forth and now they’re changing again.

I’m another who’ll be inconvenienced but I’ll simply get on with it, there are other countries I’d love to visit while I rent out my Casa in Spain. Ever the optimistic traveler, too old to change my nature now?

“Surely reciprocal is better for all?”

Wasn’t that the point of the EU?

Which the UK is leaving?

Why choose leave if you want reciprocity? Boggles the mind

And as said before, when all the Brexiters boycott the UK to go to Turkey, the queues there will be massive. Now, will the Brexiters be happy to reciprocate fast access for Turkish citizens (I do believe we know the answer)

Firecracker123

Turkey is a beautiful safe place and they love the British obviously the posters decrying it have never been. As for the airport hardly any queues at all far quicker than Manchester Airport.

I'm boycotting the EU.

. “Im boycotting the EU“. Sorry but that made me laugh. The whole of the EU must be quaking in its collective boots.

Pantglas2

The Guardian article states that the UK will allow EU citizens to use that system after Brexit so why wouldn’t the EU reciprocate?

Because they don’t want to and don’t have to?

yes, youngsters can't believe it when I tell them I had to queue in the 'Aliens' queue- separately from my husband and baby. Or that I had to fully retake my driving licence, when I became permanent resident in the UK- in English- both practical and theory part- no exchange possible now.

Imagine all the older Brexiters living in the EU if they had to do that now? In French, or German, Spanish, etc, and on 'wrong' side of the road. I'd never seen a roundabout before.

suziewoozie

MaizieD

Nobody on this thread has been decrying Turkey at all. Where on earth did you get that ridiculous idea from, *Firecracke

I did it - I did. I wouldn’t visit there - don’t you know about its human rights record?

Apologies, suziewoozie, I missed your post.

I get really tired of people telling us what we 'used to do'. I doubt if anyone under the age of 50 has any notion of 'what we used to do' and won't be too pleased at having to start now.

I've always really appreciated how very easy it has been to travel in EU countries without having to do any of the stuff Brexiteers are happy to do. It still p8sses me off that I am going to have to do it because of their choice..

How lovely GG13! I bet you are looking forward to it.

We have visited quite a few islands on cruises from Barbados and I would be hard pressed to pick a favourite as they all have something to offer.

Above from BBC News Service.

Membership of the EU also gave the UK access to all manner of databases related to internal security. Until the end of the transition period, the UK has full access to:

Passenger name records
The European Criminal Records Information System (ECRIS)
The Prum database of DNA records
The Secure Information Exchange Network Application
The Schengen Information System (SIS II)

The Schengen Information System, for example, allows participating countries to share alerts on law enforcement in real time. That means when anyone gets checked anywhere, other countries know about it straight away.

Police officers use it on a daily basis to try to trace people with warrants issued against them, defendants or witnesses absconding from court, stolen cars, missing people or those under surveillance.

Richard Martin, deputy assistant commissioner with the Metropolitan Police. told MPs in July that British officials checked SIS II some 603 million times last year, and everyone involved in security agrees that it is incredibly useful.

But under current rules you can only get full access to SIS II if you're in the EU or in the Schengen area (which allows for passport-free travel between most EU member states and some other European countries).

There are other international databases that the UK will be able to use, but Mr Martin said they would not be as quick or effective as the current "at your fingertips" system.

Mr Martin, who heads up Brexit preparation for the National Police Chiefs' Council, also told MPs that using ECRIS takes about six days to get criminal records from other European countries for suspects in the UK. Without such access, he said, it would take 10 times longer.

Mrs May knows, re security and intelligence/terrorism sharing, and Gove knows it too, I am absolutely sure

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/19/utter-rubbish-theresa-may-incredulous-at-michael-goves-brexit-claims