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PECS Mon 26-Oct-20 12:13:28

varian yes that is a dreadful scenario with lawyers offices being targeted by right wing extremists.

British law must be protected from political interference ..that is a downward spiral to dictatorship!

Jane10 Mon 26-Oct-20 12:07:47

I hate the phrase 'right thinking' which actually only means people who agree with the person saying that.

varian Mon 26-Oct-20 12:04:58

These phrases are worse than just provocative. They are dangerous. They can incite violence.

Remember the notorious Daily Mail headline "enemies of the people" accompanied by photos of the Judges whose judgement they didn't like?

Pantglas2 Mon 26-Oct-20 11:55:59

I’ve always thought that calling someone a fascist/commie when they don’t agree with your politics quite telling, in that you’re blinkered to another view on something.

FannyCornforth Mon 26-Oct-20 11:55:35

I think of 'virtue signalling' as relating to empty words and no real action.
Similar to people latching onto other's grief (I can't remember the phrase for this).
Sort of 'look at what a lovely, empathetic person I am, unlike you'.

FannyCornforth Mon 26-Oct-20 11:52:21

Good grief Varian.
The calibre of this lot.
Our Home Secretary using childish, ill-educated sounding phrases.

PECS Mon 26-Oct-20 11:51:10

FannyCornforth I had forgotten 'do-gooder'! But yes I agree it is a similar phrase!

I suppose if celebrities are profiting from promoting a charitable cause then it might be considered bad form
but often charities approach celebs to promote /sponsor their cause.

varian Mon 26-Oct-20 11:49:38

More than 800 retired judges, barristers and senior legal figures have accused Boris Johnson and Priti Patel of endangering the personal safety of lawyers.

The group have signed an online letter calling on the prime minister and home secretary to apologise for their "display of hostility" towards those working in the justice system.

It follows Ms Patel's repeated criticism of lawyers who defend migrants and asylum seekers as "lefties" and "do-gooders".

Mr Johnson also claimed during the Tory conference that the criminal justice system was being "hamstrung by what the home secretary would doubtless – and rightly – call the lefty human rights lawyers, and other do-gooders”.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-priti-patel-lawyers-judges-barristers-apology-b1322494.html

FannyCornforth Mon 26-Oct-20 11:43:28

Politically correct has always annoyed me, what would you prefer me to be? Politically incorrect?

Similar to 'do-gooder'. Thankfully you don't hear that much nowadays.
Usually used by someone who has never done a thing to improve the life of another. Makes them feel inferior I think, so they think that 'do-gooder'' is an acceptable insult (clue - it isn't).

However, I don't really have a problem with 'virtue signalling' if it is used correctly.
I do think that there is a lot of VS about, especially on social media; celebs etc.
That said - it annoys me when it's used incorrectly (in relation to Rashford for example).

They all seem to be terms that a certain type of right wing person uses against a certain type of left wing person.

PECS Mon 26-Oct-20 11:30:53

I noticed someone us the phrase virtual signaling on a thread.. It is on a par with politically correct.

It seems to me that people use these phrases, constructed deliberately as political put downs, to undermine someone /something that is trying to improve things for others.

Are the people who do this feeling uncomfortable or embarrassed by the action that they are deriding? If someone tries to to good by raising the profile of a charity or of a situation that is causing distress they are 'accused' of 'virtue signalling' as if it is a bad thing to try to improve things for other people.

If someone tries to improve the experience of others through challenging the status quo /currently accepted language/attitude etc they are 'accused' of being politically correct...as if it was a bad thing to be thoughtful of others!

Do these phrases grate with you or do you think they are valid?