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PECS Mon 26-Oct-20 11:30:53

I noticed someone us the phrase virtual signaling on a thread.. It is on a par with politically correct.

It seems to me that people use these phrases, constructed deliberately as political put downs, to undermine someone /something that is trying to improve things for others.

Are the people who do this feeling uncomfortable or embarrassed by the action that they are deriding? If someone tries to to good by raising the profile of a charity or of a situation that is causing distress they are 'accused' of 'virtue signalling' as if it is a bad thing to try to improve things for other people.

If someone tries to improve the experience of others through challenging the status quo /currently accepted language/attitude etc they are 'accused' of being politically correct...as if it was a bad thing to be thoughtful of others!

Do these phrases grate with you or do you think they are valid?

MissAdventure Wed 28-Oct-20 22:30:55

Ok boomer.
Grandson says it to me.

Callistemon Wed 28-Oct-20 22:26:45

Thank you for puting me right
biba ust to say I wasn't trying to put you right but relating some apparent facts that were reported in the media as I couldn't find any reports that Johnson had used those words.

lemongrove Wed 28-Oct-20 21:28:07

I was joking, but that was very nice of you biba.....you have earned a free pint of poteen in The Argy.

biba70 Wed 28-Oct-20 21:26:03

I apologise, again.

lemongrove Wed 28-Oct-20 21:20:07

Yes please!

biba70 Wed 28-Oct-20 21:15:23

Indeed, a typo- the context is quite clear that it was supposed to be 'vividly'.

Fake news stories don't use 'apparently' in the text- and do not relay real stories either. The story was not fake- but the words were attributed to the wrong person. Would you like me to apologise again?

Chewbacca Wed 28-Oct-20 21:14:11

It's ok biba70, it's my fault; I should have checked properly myself.

MawB2 Wed 28-Oct-20 21:06:19

I thought Lord Griffiths came across as very calm and reasoned, not livid at all.

But this has been an example of of how easy it is to start a “fake news” story which many people would have been only too happy to give credence to - “never let the facts get in the way of a good story” eh ?

biba70 Wed 28-Oct-20 21:01:50

Chewbacca- the word 'apparently' makes it clear that I was not sure it was fact. I have apologised. The comment was not an anecdote, as it was made by a Conservative MP.

The empathy resulting from the memories of the fear and reality of hunger, is real, whomever was in Government at the time.

lemongrove Wed 28-Oct-20 20:55:08

It’s typical social media isn’t it? Say a thing enough times and it becomes true!
Thanks to Maw for pointing out the ‘actual’ truth and pantglas for pointing out that Rashford’s impoverished years were under a Labour government.

Chewbacca Wed 28-Oct-20 20:46:53

biba70

As Lord Griffiths so wonderfully said in the House of Lords 'Boys attending Eton probably cannot understand this' describing how his single mother dreaded the holidays, as her benefits could not feed both the boys and herself- and how he and Rashford can still remember those days so lividly.

That's very sad biba70 but what does it have to do with your incorrect post @ 10.24? I honestly believed that what you'd posted was a fact and was outraged on Marcus Rashford's behalf. Until 3 others posters pointed out that it wasn't true at all. Just a simple "I'm sorry, I got that wrong", would be better than deflection.

Pantglas2 Wed 28-Oct-20 20:39:06

Oh how you disappoint Biba! Not only were you wrong, which is bad enough given your intellect and education, you can’t even apologise properly!

As to your second post, Marcus Rashford’s primary school years were under a labour government- will you blame them?

biba70 Wed 28-Oct-20 20:31:24

As Lord Griffiths so wonderfully said in the House of Lords 'Boys attending Eton probably cannot understand this' describing how his single mother dreaded the holidays, as her benefits could not feed both the boys and herself- and how he and Rashford can still remember those days so lividly.

biba70 Wed 28-Oct-20 20:27:50

Thank you for puting me right and giving the facts, Callistemon. I did use the word 'apparently' has I did not have actual evidence. I am however fairly sure, that Brendan Clarke-Smith's words were quite representative of a section of the Conservative party- including Johnson.

So apologies- and yet, not an 'anecdote' as this Conservative MP did clearly, say this- quite disgustingly.

MawB2 Wed 28-Oct-20 20:15:24

That’s right - No.

Chewbacca Wed 28-Oct-20 20:01:31

Oh! Well thanks for putting the correct facts up Suziewoozie and Maw, my apologies.

So when biba70 said Johnson has apparently said that young Rashford was 'virtue signalling' - says it all, no? The answer would be..... No? confused

MawB2 Wed 28-Oct-20 19:33:54

Chewbacca

biba70

Johnson has apparently said that young Rashford was 'virtue signalling' - says it all, no?

How dare BoJo say that about Marcus Rashford? MR has done more positive acts as a footballer than BoJo has a PM. Where and when was that reported biba? Was it today?

Chewie - he didn’t, that was my point.
I would never volunteer as a BoJo apologist but yet again an unsubstantiated anecdote has started a hare running - or a Chinese Whisper.

Callistemon Wed 28-Oct-20 19:30:27

Brendan Clarke-Smith, MP for Bassetlaw, said he did not believe in “nationalising children” and asked: “Where is the slick PR campaign encouraging absent parents to take some responsibility for their children?
He added: “Instead, we need to get back to the idea of taking responsibility, and this means less celebrity virtue-signalling on Twitter by proxy and more action to tackle the real causes of child poverty.

Tory David Simmonds (Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner) also said: “”What does it say about the Opposition’s priorities that all of their interests are simply swept aside in favour of currying favour with wealth and power and celebrity status.

Now I have no doubt that Mr Rashford is an expert in his own experience, but we should not forget that the experiences he so movingly described took place under a Labour government then supposedly at the peak of its powers in tackling child poverty in this country.

However, I can't find a report of Johson passing such a comment.

^Devon MP Neil Parish has been accused of “virtue signalling” for calling on the government to change its policy on free school meals - despite abstaining from Wednesday's vote. Neil Parish, Conservative MP for The Tiverton and Honiton, Devon, is calling for ministers to change their policy on offering children free school meals during the holidays.
However, Mr Parish was the only Devon MP to not vote on the Labour Party's motion on Wednesday evening.^

He said abstained to demonstrate his dissatisfaction with the government position.

I think my MP should have abstained.

suziewoozie Wed 28-Oct-20 19:02:07

Chewbacca

biba70

Johnson has apparently said that young Rashford was 'virtue signalling' - says it all, no?

How dare BoJo say that about Marcus Rashford? MR has done more positive acts as a footballer than BoJo has a PM. Where and when was that reported biba? Was it today?

I don’t think he did say that - an MP during the FSM debate referred sneeringly to virtue signalling celebrities and we all know he meant MR but BJ hasn’t

Chewbacca Wed 28-Oct-20 18:58:26

biba70

Johnson has apparently said that young Rashford was 'virtue signalling' - says it all, no?

How dare BoJo say that about Marcus Rashford? MR has done more positive acts as a footballer than BoJo has a PM. Where and when was that reported biba? Was it today?

MawB2 Wed 28-Oct-20 13:29:49

biba70

Johnson has apparently said that young Rashford was 'virtue signalling' - says it all, no?

I have attempted to Google this assertion and can find no sign of it.
If you can link to it Biba I apologise, but if it cannot be substantiated I think you should be more careful of quoting unsubstantiated anecdotal sources, however much they may suit your agenda.
Chinese Whispers do not exist only in China.

PECS Wed 28-Oct-20 11:54:15

nobody vould say that about Johnson..he does nothing virtuous gringringrin

Pantglas2 Wed 28-Oct-20 10:56:01

Where did you read that Biba?

biba70 Wed 28-Oct-20 10:24:48

Johnson has apparently said that young Rashford was 'virtue signalling' - says it all, no?

PECS Tue 27-Oct-20 17:07:20

MawB Virtual signalling gringringrin bloody predictive text!