Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

I think I have a bigotry towards right wingers. This forum is v good for me. I can converse with others that I disagree with politically and find common ground.

Pity Kinnock hadn’t suspended Corbyn when he actually plotted against the elected leader .

Misguided loyalty then.
Why not get behind what Starmer says and what he wants to achieve instead of backing ,as Margaret Hodge says ‘Yesterday’s Man’.
Corbyn was a huge mistake for the LP all round.There must be so many sighs of relief from both voters and the PLP that Labour is under new management.

Gaga I think the word you should have used was ‘agree’....
Not ‘disagree’.
A shame that anyone is bigoted on any subject.

Lg. No one is supporting him because they want him as leader. We support him because a wrong has been done.

I don't think Starter is left wing enough for me. Been down that road once with Blair. But I'll let him bed in and see. There is time.

I meant disagree. Save your own words for yourself. I know what I mean.

The reason I say the above is because conversing with those that a poster doesn’t agree with often ends in personal remarks , which is why it’s hardly worth anyone who votes Conservative putting their thoughts on GN political threads.
I left a thread the other day to let it continue as an echo chamber,which is really what posters prefer.

I think that might be part of the problem though. Corbyn is just a man, with all the weaknesses and foibles that that brings. The idea that he is some endlessly kind human being, well it's just not the case and whoever believes that is going to be let down.

No anger here either ..please Lemongrove do not assign feelings to me!

I am sad, disappointed, frustrated and worried ..but not angry.

JCs downfall is not a surprise ..it has been on the cards for a long time. I suspect that those of us who had hopes his politics might bring a fairer society are sad we are moving swiftly to greater divide.

A wrong hasn’t been done!

I'm not angry, I am deeply worried that anti-semitism has been used as a political weapon, that while the focus has been upon the LP other forms of racism have been allowed to prosper in political parties. I think the actions of the office staff have shown a weakness in the political arena that could be repeated in other parties. I fear for democray and right wing interference in future governments.

I mean this with regards to the loyalty the gagajo referred to. I have been involved with the party a long time, there have been leaders I liked, leaders I didnt, and leaders I was indifferent to. My loyalty was to the labour party not to the leaders. The conversation about corbyn worries me because of the time.of loyalty to a man.

Why is Keir Starmer not thought to be good enough to bring
(In your words) a fairer society?
This country is never likely to want the far left in Number 10
Especially somebody like Corbyn, but could well vote for Starmer next time around.

Sorry terrible typos, because of the tone of loyalty to a man.

In my case it is not all loyalty to a man , it is more a sort of loyalty to a set of policies that I think would make us a fairer society.

I am not seeing this thread as an echo chamber at all though, have there not been a number of different views?

Do you know, GNet has always seemed a bit right wing to me. Funny how people’s perceptions differ.

Yes Ilovecheese there have certainly been a good variety of thoughts on here about Corbyn, although perhaps maybe more from Labour voters ( most of who seem to agree with the fact that Corbyn obviously doesn’t feel any personal responsibility for the findings of the inquiry.)

pollyperkins

Do you know, GNet has always seemed a bit right wing to me. Funny how people’s perceptions differ.

I suspect the majority do not vote for the LP.

He may be reinstated, but even if he is, all can see that he doesn’t see ( his blind spot) that he had anything to do with the failings of his leadership of the LP in the matter of anti-semitism.That’s the problem.

Yes, Polly Perkins.

I don't slavishly follow a party. As we saw under Blair, Labour isn't always a party that supports the vulnerable in our society. That is what I look for in politics and politicians.

Corbyns day is done. I accepted that on results day. I admire his refusal to move to the centre, in order to gain popularity. I support him now in the way I would support a colleague who has peaked and is moving down the scale towards retirement.

If Labour don't on some level reflect my belief system, my moral and ethical standards, I will vote elsewhere. Unless it is a Trump situation, then I would vote for whoever was most likely to get him out.

My loyalty has been to the Labour Party because its belief systems and aims are close to what I want, a more equal society.
I was a huge fan of Michael Foot, his policies, his personality and I was distressed when under his leadership the LP got trounced. I was a much younger woman in that period. I liked Neil Kinnock but feared he couldn't win an election. He did however do a great job in kicking Militant out of Labour, I'd left the party because of Militant. I'd worked with many SWP/IMG/ Militant union leaders. Especially after the Miner's strikes, much as I loathed Thatcher, and still do - I couldn't avoid looking at the role Scargill played.
Moving on Blair won in 97 and my world in work changed. Primary schools, health centres, family centres, every kind of social work support system were recognised as essential and funded.
I wasn't keen on Brown, didn't think he'd win elections. Yes, I do believe Labour leaders need to win elections. If they lose, the poor, the deprived, the people who need a Labour government lose out in a big way.
I voted for Ed Milliband, having seen him speak several times. The positivity seen in small town halls didn't translate to the big stage. The bacon butty - awful (and yes, anti semitic)
I voted for Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham in the election Corbyn won. I saw them speak several times. Corbyn won the hall each time. I liked him but had that Michael Foot feeling - so didn't vote for him.
As leader - I grew increasingly despondent. He was simply hopeless, grumpy, irritable if challenged. He was I' m sure a good back bench MP, opposing everything and being true to his purist beliefs.
I left the party when so many of my Jewish friends did. I voted for our good Labour MP, I joined those on the doorstep responding to "ill ne'er vote for yon mon" by saying we are using you to vote for X our good local MP. He lost his seat by a few hundred votes.
So - I'm completely and utterly fed up with all this.
The report criticises the party under Corbyn's leadership. Accept it, apologise, move on. We need a Labour government. Corbyn and co seem determined to do all they can to prevent that.

GagaJo

I think I have a bigotry towards right wingers. This forum is v good for me. I can converse with others that I disagree with politically and find common ground.

I'm bigoted towards right wingers, but I don't consider people on the "right wing" of the Labour Party as right wing.

I'm not a politician either, so I don't have to try and make friends, influence people and win votes.

Agree Iam but not about Brown, when was the last Welsh or
Scots PM ?

Michael Foot was a lovely man, a family friend, but no leader .

Blair was the only labour leader who won three consecutive
general elections yet he is dismissed here by the far left.

The country has moved on from men in Dai caps walking whippets and annual miners families day trip to the beach.

Have you seen the cartoon in the Guardian of Keir Starmer serving up Corbyn’s head on a platter? A la Salome?

The left wing paper having a pop at left wing politicians....hilarious!

Sorry but It was not hilarious, the same day as the beheading in France,