Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

Galaxy, my friend is not the Green Party. She is an individual. Not a party member. A voter. A woman on the street.

The public are entitled to hold opinions you know.

I agree with what you said trisher

If he had accepted the report that would be the end of it, the
party could move forward

LMcC has no intention of starting a new party, never had. Why would you give up the power you have already in the LP? Also, which sitting MPs would have defected with him and forced by-elections? Yes, I know they don't have to, but they shout loud enough when others defect, how could they not? The only decent thing to do. Four years is a very long time in politics. I, for one, will exercise patience and wait for more normal times to come post Covid and then take stock of where the LP stands under KS. I'm not tearing up my membership any time soon.

The trouble is gagajo I couldnt take criticism about party organisation from the green party. They had their own investigation into the failings of the party with regard to safeguarding children last year it was scathing about the failings of many in senior positions. I hope your friend recognises the failings and unfairness within her own party.

I have a friend on social media who is far more left wing than me. She votes Green. Even she said today, it's the principle. He did nothing wrong and should be reinstated.

I was shocked. She views Labour as only a slight improvement on the Tories. But she can see the unfairness.

But Jonathan Freedland ,I believe, has always been anti Corbyn...it fits the narrative he wants it to.

JC is his own worst enemy.. a big disappointment to me & others who had hopes of a strong socialist leader of the opposition...it never happened.

I do believe there was a huge movement within the more right of Labour group to undermine & oust JC. He did attract a lot of loose cannons to the party & he was not strong enough to manage them.

But the fact is he did initiate a better system to investigate complaints and was hindered in getting it up and running by those who wanted him out. They are the ones who cared little about the complaints of anti Semitic behaviour and manipulated the situation for their gain, not JC.

He is between a rock & a hard place.
If he just accepts the report he is damned as an anti Semite who did not try to challenge the system of complaints & things will continue..
If he challenges it he is damned as a self centred anti Semite who did not try to challenge the system of complaints.

It is a total balls up in LP HQ. I will always be a socialist but may not always be a LP member.

trisher, this is a subject on which we will never agree. Our views are poles apart and I can't see anything changing that. It's a pity because we both support the Labour Party and recognise the need for a decent opposition, with the aim of winning the next election.

Iam64^His view is that as always, it's all about Jeremy Corbyn for Corbyn and his supporters.^ well that's the most stupid statement I've read for some time. Are we then supposed to say all the stuff that went on in the LP office will just be forgotten. That people who swayed the results of the 2017 election by diverting money, who deliberately ignored or delayed dealing with anti-semitism complaints, who subverted processes simply because they disagreed with the elected leader are to get away with it? That they are in fact to be financially rewarded by the new leader for their actions? And why because the press contiinue to dislike a man who actually did nothiing wrong. Well sorry but I see it more about a party which will not be viable unless it cleans its house properly and stops attributing blame to one person and the people who voted for him.

Len McCluskey has said - ‘hundreds of thousands are threatening to leave the party but he asks them to stay.

Hundreds of thousands ! ! ! !

I’d just read it Iam64 and thought the same.

If anyone is interested, todays guardian has an excellent article by Jonathan Freedland. His view is that as always, it's all about Jeremy Corbyn for Corbyn and his supporters. An independent inquiry - pah, all part of the plot.

Don’t you have a position on this matter Monica ?
Here, I’ll hold your coat while you climb into the ring......
Go on girl, sock it to ‘em! ?

Reading this thread is a bit like being at the ringside for a boxing match. Each side takes it in turns to try to knock their opponent out. Really classy 'taking on the opposition work.

Unfortunately all the protagionists belong to the same party and considering that most are women just prove that when push comes to shove men and women, and all in between, are all on a par when it comes to a fight.

Thanks trisher for explaining your view ( regarding Starmer).

Anniebach

Corbyn threw himself to the wolves rather than accept the truth

Spot on!

I don't really understand what that's got to do with Corbyn anyway.

Anniebach

Blair was born in Scotland, moved to Australia before age 2, by
age 5 was living in England.

Brown lived in Scotland, went to university in Scotland, never
left Scotland, accents ? Doubt people thought of Blair as Scots.

Brown wasn’t voted in as PM.

Ah OK! Blair did go to a posh Scottish school. I didn't realise he'd been away from Scotland in the intervening years.

Corbyn threw himself to the wolves rather than accept the truth

His payment to the staff who are accused of acting against Corbyn worries me. There is evidence they acted against the party leader and yet he paid them.

Exactly Trisher. Next time, it will be him they are gunning for.

lemongrove

Why is Keir Starmer not thought to be good enough to bring
(In your words) a fairer society?
This country is never likely to want the far left in Number 10
Especially somebody like Corbyn, but could well vote for Starmer next time around.

The reason I distrust Keir Starmer is because he seems to have little real loyalty or commitment. The shots from the times he said he supported Corbyn are there to see. He was close to the LOTO and it seems very unlikely that he was unaware of what was happening, but now he seems prepared to throw Corbyn to the wolves. Add to that his abysmal record on voting in this parliament, particularly on allowing under cover officers to be free to torture or kill with immunity.
His payment to the staff who are accused of acting against Corbyn worries me. There is evidence they acted against the party leader and yet he paid them.

Blair was born in Scotland, moved to Australia before age 2, by
age 5 was living in England.

Brown lived in Scotland, went to university in Scotland, never
left Scotland, accents ? Doubt people thought of Blair as Scots.

Brown wasn’t voted in as PM.

Ooops! capital "B" for Brown.

You've lost me Anniebach. Both Blair and brown are Scots.

I think this is all down to a failure of leadership - that is, Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. A good leader has the judgment to see what needs to be done when a problem blows up that threatens him or the reputation of his party.

Unfortunately Jeremy Corbyn and his close associates have not always exercised good judgment, as this latest lamentable episode demonstrates.

If he had had good judgment and good advisers Jeremy Corbyn would have taken more effective action to deal with the rise in the numbers of anti-semitic complaints and abuse against Jewish Labour MPs. It should have been obvious that the problem was going to be toxic for him and his party and reflect on his leadership eventually.

What he should have done in the first place is to have created an independent panel to deal with these complaints - especially if he suspected that there were staff in Labour HQ who were plotting against him. He was the Leader and he had the power to do this, but he either never thought of it or if he did, chose not to pursue it. Instead he put too much trust in his close associates.

Did Jennie Formby have any experience in setting up complaints systems, I wonder? I worked with someone who was tasked with this and it is not a simple matter. Karie Murphy was tasked with running the last election campaign. Had she run one before on this scale? Candidates in marginal seats complained that they didn't receive as much support as those in hopeless seats who were supporters of the Leader.

It is noteworthy that Jeremy Corbyn focus on the numbers of complaints. It is not the actual numbers that matter but his failure of the party he led to have dealt with them adequately. This is true whether there had been two complaints a year under his leadership or 2000 complaints a year.

His attempt, through his statement, and the attempt of his supporters in turn, to portray him as the victim here is deeply upsetting to the victims of the anti-semitic abuse whose suffering was prolonged because the complaints system was slow and ineffective.

Instead of apologising to them he has shown through his statement that all he really cares about is protecting his own reputation. The buck stopped with him, even if he and his supporters choose to ignore that fact.