It looks as if Trump will win now

I think as Trump has Florida and Wisconsin due to the way their voting system works he will win again.

Trump has not won this election until all the votes are counted. He's not even winning now, before the postal votes are all in. How can anyone be fooled by his display of brass neck?

Actually Trump has done very good things. He has kept his election promises. Avoided wars. Built up the US economy.
Made peace overtures to North Korea and insisted that European countries finally honour their commitments to NATO defence. He's also been a good friend to our country by supporting our Brexit decision and suggesting a trading deal.

How could the predictions have been so wrong?
And why can't the major parties produce better candidates? Bernie Sanders would have been better than Joe Biden.

I feel sick at the thought of Trump winning. He disgusts me and frightens me in equal measure. I then wonder why I should care. It’s not my country. They’ve done it to themselves but I pity them in a way. It’s like watching truculent child making bad choices and not being able to do anything .

mousemac

Trump has not won this election until all the votes are counted. He's not even winning now, before the postal votes are all in. How can anyone be fooled by his display of brass neck?

It’s how the figures looked to me at 8a.m mousemac due to the States that could be reasonably expected to vote for Trump ( Republicans don’t all like Trump, but they wouldn't vote in any numbers for a Democrat, particularly such a poor offering as Joe Biden.) Of course it’s not over yet, but it’s looking as if Trump is doing very well.

winterwhite

How could the predictions have been so wrong?
And why can't the major parties produce better candidates? Bernie Sanders would have been better than Joe Biden.

No, Bernie Sanders would never have been chosen as the Presidential Candidate, too Socialist.

It’s nail biting stuff that we have to maybe wait days to know the outcome!

I can say I feel sick thinking half of the people in this country think a racist, misogynist, total lack of empathy, gaslighter, sex offender, responsible for genocide, mentally unstable, throws tantrums like a toddler daily, etc is a good candidate for a second term.

The ones who voted for him mirrow his values - that is what worries me.

Next, he will amend the constitution to re mlm over terms and he can pick his successor

Remove the terms - autocorrect is evil

“God grant me the serenity to accept the things we cannot change”....

Just that really. Doesn’t matter what any of us think, it won’t change anything.

You are right there Calendargirl but the USA is such an huge and influential country that what the President is like is
Very important.

CNN lunchtime show
Biden 224 Trump 213

So many of his ex colleagues in the White house have
spoken against him that I do not understand how so
many americans are deaf to it all. For me it reflects very
badly on the country.

It ain't over till it's over ?

Trump alleging fraud and wanting counting stopped, he can smell defeat, so there is going a big argument especially if it a narrow victory. Biden leading but only by a few % points.

I live in the states. Trump said at 2:30 this morning to stop the voting as he won. Well he can’t do that and there are millions of uncounted votes that have yet to be counted . They may not all be counted until Friday.
He HAS not done what he promised. His said the virus would be gone and we would have a vaccine by Election Day. That’s only one of his lies. I’m embarrassed for those who STILL voted for him.

Hithere

I can say I feel sick thinking half of the people in this country think a racist, misogynist, total lack of empathy, gaslighter, sex offender, responsible for genocide, mentally unstable, throws tantrums like a toddler daily, etc is a good candidate for a second term.

The ones who voted for him mirrow his values - that is what worries me.

Next, he will amend the constitution to re mlm over terms and he can pick his successor

That is concerning, of course- But important to understand that there are more racists than "imagined"-

Prominent Republicans and conservative commentators joined President Donald Trump’s opponents to criticise his false claim of having already won the US presidential election.

Among those condemning the president was the Fox News political analyst Juan Williams, who said his claim to victory was “beyond the pale”, while political commentator Dana Perino called it “deeply irresponsible."

The former Republican governor of New Jersey Chris Christie told ABC News that there was “just no basis to make that argument tonight.”

On being asked whether Mr Trump’s claim was a political move, the former GOP governor replied in affirmative. "It is, but it's got to be bigger than that,” adding that he “disagrees” with what the president did.

“I think it’s a bad strategic decision, it’s a bad political decision, and it’s not the kind of decision you’d expect someone to make tonight who holds the position he (Mr Trump) holds,” Mr Christie told the news network.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/fox-news-trump-election-win-b1586825.html

It's just the sort of thing a deluded ego maniac like Trump would do.

I echo what Hithere says. My son lives in the US with his family so it does affect us more directly. Are we witnessing the end of democracy?

One thing I am clinging to, if Trump gets back in, is something Andrew Neil said last night - that five million of the ‘old guard’ have died since the 2016 election, so presumably by the next election, another five million will have passed on and the next generation of more diverse, better educated Americans will be taking their place.

Rhinestone
for you.

Pm me if you need to vent.

I live in the U.S. and am vehemently opposed to Trump. I am so disappointed in my country. I appreciate your comments from the U.K. since it gives me a sense of how we are viewed outside of our domain. I think that something a friend of mine (an avid Republican and Trump supporter) said in 2016 resonates with me now. She said it didn’t matter that he won because our lives wouldn’t change. And to some extent she’s correct. My DH and I still have our home, our pensions, our health insurance, etc. Due to his health problems, we vigilantly adhere to precautions. Her life didn’t change either. But here’s the difference - Trump’s presidency has radically changed the lives of others and his victory now will continue to do so. She doesn’t care - I do. Please pray for the U.S.

Nanamar

I live in the U.S. and am vehemently opposed to Trump. I am so disappointed in my country. I appreciate your comments from the U.K. since it gives me a sense of how we are viewed outside of our domain. I think that something a friend of mine (an avid Republican and Trump supporter) said in 2016 resonates with me now. She said it didn’t matter that he won because our lives wouldn’t change. And to some extent she’s correct. My DH and I still have our home, our pensions, our health insurance, etc. Due to his health problems, we vigilantly adhere to precautions. Her life didn’t change either. But here’s the difference - Trump’s presidency has radically changed the lives of others and his victory now will continue to do so. She doesn’t care - I do. Please pray for the U.S.

It isn’t just how Trump affects individuals, but it is the divisions he has caused between all sorts of groups, the violence that has occurred, the withdrawal from the climate change agreement, WHO, the luke warm support of NATO, the threat to democracy, the trashing of the institutions in the US.

jenwren At the risk of being ticked off for bringing in the Nazis, I could never get my head around the Nazis political success in Germany.. I am currently reading ‘The Himmler Brothers’ written by Ernst Himmler’s granddaughter. I have also watched two of the ‘Rise of the Nazis’ series on Catch-up. Well worth a read and a watch if you are interested.

Wont matter, I have a feeling he is not going to go quietly if he looses, he has all but said that he will not accept the result if it is not in his favour and will challenge any decision to remove him. He even said that he was of the opinion that he had the right to be president for more than the normal two terms.

SueDonim

I echo what Hithere says. My son lives in the US with his family so it does affect us more directly. Are we witnessing the end of democracy?

One thing I am clinging to, if Trump gets back in, is something Andrew Neil said last night - that five million of the ‘old guard’ have died since the 2016 election, so presumably by the next election, another five million will have passed on and the next generation of more diverse, better educated Americans will be taking their place.

Will that matter as the damage will already have been done? Trump will have had four years to do as he wants with no election for him at the end of his two terms to worry about.