It looks as if Trump will win now

It's so hard to understand why they'd want the orange racist running the country. I've just watched Ch4 news interviews with Cuban immigrants in Florida. They were Trump supporters, said they'd had enough of socialism in Cuba, came to the US to be free, to work and succeed. The group interviewed had indeed worked and succeeded. I think the cost of Biden's health and social care policies frightened some (selfish) people

It looks as though Michigan is going to call for Biden.

If he wins Nevada, he's won (unless Trump's pram throwing works).

Whitewavemark2

I hope as soon as Biden gets to 270, he puts in a request to go into the Whitehouse and measure up for curtains and drive Trump insane????

Can that be done retrospectively? Trump is insane!

Iam64

It's so hard to understand why they'd want the orange racist running the country. I've just watched Ch4 news interviews with Cuban immigrants in Florida. They were Trump supporters, said they'd had enough of socialism in Cuba, came to the US to be free, to work and succeed. The group interviewed had indeed worked and succeeded. I think the cost of Biden's health and social care policies frightened some (selfish) people

I think you'll find that some immigrants to the UK are the same. They're the ones who've succeeded and it's a mistake to think they have much in common with other immigrants who haven't succeeded.

Some people are saying Trump has done what he promised to do - and that didn't include anything about social justice or welfare.

His core supporters are white, more males than females and over 60, but identity politics is also very important in the US, so there have been vocal groups such as "Latinos for Trump" etc. Visible support for BLM and some of the more extreme calls, such as defunding the police, probably lost the Democrats some votes.

I've just watched Ch4 news interviews with Cuban immigrants in Florida. They were Trump supporters
But do they not realise that, had Trump been in power, they would not live in the US of A?

Callistemon

^I've just watched Ch4 news interviews with Cuban immigrants in Florida. They were Trump supporters^
But do they not realise that, had Trump been in power, they would not live in the US of A?

Maybe they've been talking to Priti Patel.

The trouble is, if you have been a conservative (not necessarily very right wing) and have always distrusted socialists, even with the devil incarnate in charge of your party, it is a big ask to expect them to vote for socialism. Couple that with an opposition whose president elect is old, senile and somebody you have not respected for 40 years, it is unlikely that you will be convinced that he deserves your vote.
I can't help thinking that the lash up the Americans call a democratic process needs an overhaul. Surely having different rules across the nation, sometimes even in the States, makes people suspicious. A common agreement on the process would take a lot of the distrust away and individual candidates wouldn't have to seek Court action. A friend of mine is American and has spent quite a lot of time in different countries during their elections which are so much better run. She cannot believe how appalling the American system is by comparison and yet Americans look down their noses at their systems.

phoenix

Whitewavemark2

I hope as soon as Biden gets to 270, he puts in a request to go into the Whitehouse and measure up for curtains and drive Trump insane????

Can that be done retrospectively? Trump is insane!

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Retrospective insanity

icanhandthemback It's interesting, isn't it? I guess it's to do with the idea that the states hold power and the suspicion towards the state. It would take years of wrangling over the constitution for there to be any change.

Anyone else mentally and physically drained waiting for Joe Biden to hit the magic 270?

No.

We've been out in the lovely sunshine, cooked a meal, had a glass of , had another one after sad news and que sera, sera, quite frankly.

No amount of angst will change anything.

Well done America!!

Biden speech was Presidential, and one that Trump could never have given.

MayBee70

Anyone else mentally and physically drained waiting for Joe Biden to hit the magic 270?

Yes it is very stressful, not least because it affects us so much.

I’ve been out in the sun walking today as well. Incredibly warm!

I wouldn't call the Democrats socialists, by a very long stretch of the imagination. In fact, I would say that they would be considered as conservatives in most countries. However, by comparison to the much more right wing Republicans, they seem much more liberal.

I can't get wildly excited about Biden and would have much preferred someone much more radical, such as Bernice Sanders. However, I suppose that he would have been slaughtered by the media, like Jeremy Corbyn. At least Biden offers rational and intelligent leadership, and should make better decisions regarding important issues such as the pandemic.

So fingers crossed that he wins.

Looking hopeful now!
A big change from this morning, thank goodness, a lot of postal votes to be counted, but they tend to be Democrat votes.?
It’s still going to be close though, maybe Biden 270 and Trump 268.

What l still can't understand is how, in a country with approximately 320 million people, these two are considered the best option to run the country, which, whether we like it or not, is the self-appointed leader of the free world. I have always thought that a Republican president is bad news for the rest of the world but Trump is on a whole new level. Even the Democrats are far to the right of our Conservative party but l originally thought Biden was marginally better than Trump - let's face it anything has to be better than Trump. Unfortunately, he seems to have no charisma and, worse, symptoms of dementia. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Obama could return? He was and is revered throughout the world while Trump is reviled throughout the world.

Iam64

It's so hard to understand why they'd want the orange racist running the country. I've just watched Ch4 news interviews with Cuban immigrants in Florida. They were Trump supporters, said they'd had enough of socialism in Cuba, came to the US to be free, to work and succeed. The group interviewed had indeed worked and succeeded. I think the cost of Biden's health and social care policies frightened some (selfish) people

I suppose these Trump supporters don’t have the imagination to understand that they themselves could one day be the ones dependent on state health & social care policies.

It would not be wonderful if Obama returned- 2 terms is enough- And for good reason-

not looking so good for Donald Trump at the moment

It occurred to me that if Trump loses, we will be left with a mini-Trump and the worse leader in the western world?

rosecarmel it's interesting how you aren't a fan of Obama who I (along with much of the outside world) really admire, but I do appreciate that other countries often have a very different view of a country's leader than the inhabitants of said country. I "may" be influenced by the fact I fancy the pants off Obama lol

Whitewavemark2

It occurred to me that if Trump loses, we will be left with a mini-Trump and the worse leader in the western world?

Well, at least it means he’ll be a world beating worst leader.

Biden the worst leader in the western world? Not with Boris in charge, surely?

I wouldn't call the Democrats socialists, by a very long stretch of the imagination. In fact, I would say that they would be considered as conservatives in most countries.

I think the fear of Communism is so high in America that real Socialism is looked on with great suspicion.

growstuff, it isn't just the electoral system. There are loads of things that they seem quite behind with. Our banking system even back in the pre-digital days seemed streets ahead of the American system. There are lots of great things about the USA but most people I know who have lived and worked out there have been horrified at attitudes in the work place and the racism.