All eyes now turn to Brexit.

biba70

Something bizarre is happening on GN- and other social media. The Brexiters have gone very quiet- is the penny dropping, or has dropped (along with Sterling).

Yes I think so. Next we will see the offending clauses being dropped from the IM bill.

It took the election of a grown up in the USA to make our child-like government see sense.

Glad we’ve got so much control.

With luck some sort of deal might be cobbled together but it will be touch and go, and not as comprehensive as it could have been.

Something bizarre is happening on GN- and other social media. The Brexiters have gone very quiet- is the penny dropping, or has dropped (along with Sterling).

Just as predicted, Johnson is now beginning to negotiate more sensibly and addressing the the narrative. Biden has done exactly what was expected and Johnson has fallen into line.

It is called taking back control??

We are the only population in Europe whose freedom has been limited by the government.

Well Farage has been re-named lately as 'Del Boy gone wrong'
very apt, I think.

biba70

Not even Del Boy could even think of that.

I'm sure that Del By voted Leave

Fascinating thread here by 'Steve Analyst' about how the UK moved from pre-referendum Leave promises of not leaving single market, 'Norway' deals etc to a dogmatic belief that leaving the single market was absolutely the intention all along. Particularly with regard to the role of the media post referendum in planting and reinforcing that belief.

Particularly interesting to me was the way Cameron was implicated in the 'no to the single market' belief, as people have quoted it to me on a number of occasions...

Hello, tonight’s thread is going to be focused on the recent article by @anandMenon1 and @jillongovt about how we ended up outside the Single Market.

( www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/who-killed-soft-brexit-eu-european-union-no-deal )

It makes various claims which have merit, and some, like the EU’s attitude to bespoke deals, which are inaccurate, but it’s biggest failing is not recognising how the media is the main actor in this.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1327002960484818945.html

Not even Del Boy could even think of that.

But, WwMk2

Blue passports
Sovrinty
No more freedom of movement...

Yay!

Just thought I would drop this nugget in

A C Grayling

Total UK contributions to EU since 1973: £215 billion (return value: £3.25 trillion - CBI figure of £70 billion pa X 45 years),

Total expenditure on Brexit since 2016: £203 billion (return value: wreckage of economy, international pariah status, loss of rights & freedoms).

Official now, No Deal means the Financial Sector will be locked out of EU access with no equivalence- meaning all Financial Firms in the City and elsewhere will have to leave to continue to work- with a massive loss of taxes for London and the country.

Well this is now very clear.

*“This is a clear red line for us.”
Congressman Brendan Boyle tells Channel 4 News Matt Frei “there will be no US-UK trade deal - period” if the UK government moves forward with the Internal Market Bill.*

So true, Lucca

Should say I don’t feel like....

Don’t feel I like thinking about blasted Brexit but I liked this

One of the phrases of this year is the concept of "the new normal"

We, in the UK, are, tragically, going have to accept that, because of brexit. everything will get more difficult, more complicated, take longer and cost more.

In the "new normal" we will have to accept that our little isloislolated nation has a much lower standing in the world.

We will always be at a disadvantage in any trade deals and powerful countries willways put us at the back of the queue.

In short, don't get to excited about the vaccine- we need to get some into the country first, somehow. EU countries will probably favour EU members and those with strong currencies.

And it getseven worse- what a mess

A “haulier handbook” to prevent Brexit border meltdown on 1 January has been delayed and will not be ready for another month, it has been revealed. So will be available, if all goes well, mid Decenber- just 2 weeks before sheer madness.

Hancock

So what did Matt hncock mean by 'Mommoth logistical problems' ?

There are fears that Brexit could hold up the coronavirus vaccine in the United Kingdom, as the transition period comes to an end on December 31.

At present, there is an agreement with the European Union to keep the same rules in place until the end of the year, but the country needs a deal to keep many of the existing arrangements in place.

A deal that drops many of those agreements, or no deal at all, could cause significant disruption both for Europe and the UK.

Now there arereal fears this could have an impact on the coronavirus vaccine, which is expected at the end of this year, or start of next year after health secretary Matt Hancock insisted there would need to be "mammoth logistical operations" to transport the vaccine from the manufacture bases in Germany, Belgium and the US to the patient.

Whitewavemark2

Someone just said that the days of giving a hearing to untrue statements and outright lies should be over.

They are beginning to refuse to allow the president of the USA to tweet and broadcast lies.

We need to do exactly the same in this country.

Sadly Politicians have lied ever since time began. I feel that deliberate lying should be an offence resulting in barring them from office. However if a politician make a promise in good faith that they cannot enact when elected does taht mean lying , incompetence or a victim of circumstance.

... or flights

Nos let's hope ..... that there won't be any disruptions in Dover and other UK entry points in January (but ... I am not sure about that).

The Pfizer vaccine, produced by two Turkish immigrants Priti Patel would not have let in, very probably.

varian

Thank goodness that this vaccine announcement did not come a week ago or Trump would have claimed credit for it.

Spoke too soon varian