Desperately keeping Cummings (sorry)

I think Cummings has been given way too much credit.....some are regarding him as somewhere between Machiavelli and the Devil ( with a bit of Svengali thrown in.)
Spads come and go....he’s had a long run but it’s time to go.

quizqueen

Remind me what Carrie was elected to do!!!

Or what appointment in government she has.

It does sound as if the Tory government is 'a nest of vipers' and have decided to blame Symonds.

Everything about this so-called government is like a bad soap opera.

lemongrove

I think Cummings has been given way too much credit.....some are regarding him as somewhere between Machiavelli and the Devil ( with a bit of Svengali thrown in.)
Spads come and go....he’s had a long run but it’s time to go.

Really? Really ?

All SPADs get the use of the Downing Street rose garden to sneer at the British public in the midst of a pandemic. He’ll never be forgiven for that and neither will Johnson for facilitating a national humiliation.

FarNorth 'bad soap opera' is about right. I keep thinking that I must have slipped into an alternative reality - or I'm having a nightmare.

The rest of the world are watching the circus too. I wonder what they make of it? Anyone else feel embarrassed?

And now Trump is in the long drawn out process of going the world will not have the distraction of another incompetent leader. Johnson will take centre stage.

The suggestion is that Johnson wants a more inclusive less divisive message coming from No 10.

Blimey it didn’t take him long he soon got the message!

The death of populism is taking place.

It doesn’t matte4 does it what message Johnson wants coming out of No 10 - it will all be lies and fluff and laughing at us and giving contracts to mates and appointing brothers to the Lords and the wives of Tory MPs to head government organisations and then laughing at us again and making mire plans to feather all their nests.

Or more

Whitewavemark2

The suggestion is that Johnson wants a more inclusive less divisive message coming from No 10.

Blimey it didn’t take him long he soon got the message!

The death of populism is taking place.

No, I think populism is just finding its feet.

The Conservative Party has its own culture war between the "red wall" MPs and traditional shire Tories.

Money will be at the centre of it, so it will be interesting to see what Sunak does. He has his own ambitions, as does Gove.

Johnson will want to remain to be seen as the man of the people, so will almost certainly make populist decisions.

The "less divisiveness" isn't about voters. It's about the Tory MPs in Parliament, some of whom are a very nasty crowd. Indirectly, Cummings might have done people a favour by shutting them out.

Elegran

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would be very suspicious of the combination of him saying that by December he would have done what he set out to do and the state of chaos he leaves behind him now (November) that he is departing. Just what did he set out to do?

Thank goodness you're not a conspiracy theorist. Neither am I!

It's a little concerning that two of Symonds' allies are apparently Priti Patel and Munira Mirza (Johnson's former top aide and wife of Dougie Smith, former organiser of orgies for swingers and partner of "Killing Kittens" owner).

Fat and frying pan come to mind.

I see the woman that Cummings had thrown out of No 10 has been awarded +£50000.

He must owe the rest of the country billions for the untold harm he has done.

I’m not quite so sure that populism has such a strong footing now that its biggest proponent and satellites like Bannon have gone. Johnson is now isolated without his support mechanism of Cummings etc. So I am hoping that we might see the last of it and the divisions caused by the vote leave lot and Johnson with the north/south myths etc

I don’t think that the divisions have reached quite the level that we see in the USA but they are there and if the myths can be stopped before it gets any worse so much the better.

Interesting placement of articles on Times front page today !!

Lucca

Interesting placement of articles on Times front page today !!

Would you like to explain this comment for those of us who don't see all the front pages of the daily papers?

Rumours of Sajid Javid returning to the fold.

Maisie....so sorry ☹️ forgot to post the photo !!

Or even MaizieD.

Many thanks, Lucca ?

(I wonder if he has shares in the company that makes the boxes? Name is very prominent and that photo is all over everywhere! )

Whitewavemark2

I’m not quite so sure that populism has such a strong footing now that its biggest proponent and satellites like Bannon have gone. Johnson is now isolated without his support mechanism of Cummings etc. So I am hoping that we might see the last of it and the divisions caused by the vote leave lot and Johnson with the north/south myths etc

I don’t think that the divisions have reached quite the level that we see in the USA but they are there and if the myths can be stopped before it gets any worse so much the better.

The biggest proponent of populism is Johnson and he hasn't gone. He doesn't have a political compass apart from supporting Brand Boris and will do what it takes to stay where he is. There are some very nasty wannabe Ukippers on the Tory back benches and he'll do what it takes to stop them voting against him. That's populism in action.

growstuff

Whitewavemark2

I’m not quite so sure that populism has such a strong footing now that its biggest proponent and satellites like Bannon have gone. Johnson is now isolated without his support mechanism of Cummings etc. So I am hoping that we might see the last of it and the divisions caused by the vote leave lot and Johnson with the north/south myths etc

I don’t think that the divisions have reached quite the level that we see in the USA but they are there and if the myths can be stopped before it gets any worse so much the better.

The biggest proponent of populism is Johnson and he hasn't gone. He doesn't have a political compass apart from supporting Brand Boris and will do what it takes to stay where he is. There are some very nasty wannabe Ukippers on the Tory back benches and he'll do what it takes to stop them voting against him. That's populism in action.

No I know that, but I do think history is now against him and once again he is behind the curve.

He will be the only proponent in the democratic western world and it will be lonely not having another leader who espouses such populist nationalism where division is used to rule.

It is all about inclusiveness and cooperation now.

He will be the only proponent in the democratic western world and it will be lonely not having another leader who espouses such populist nationalism where division is used to rule.

Doesn't he have a few soulmates in Eastern Europe?

MaizieD

^He will be the only proponent in the democratic western world and it will be lonely not having another leader who espouses such populist nationalism where division is used to rule^.

Doesn't he have a few soulmates in Eastern Europe?

Well yes, but that must be a tad embarrassing?

I don't think Johnson knows what embarrassment is, Wwmk2 ?