Who will be left in the Labour Party?

No script Galaxy just plain facts. I am interested to hear what Retiredwell has to say. People are questioning Starmer's leadership and the decisions he's made.
And Gwyneth MPs vote with their conscience on something as important as this bad deal. Labour didn't need to vote as there was a majority of Tories backing it.

Yes Gwyneth they were. I really do hope the far left break away and form their own party, then the remaining three quarters of the party can rebuild, The destructive infighting will cease, and the public will have clarity about what they are voting for at the next election.

Weren’t the 37 who voted against the Labour Party whip Jeremy Corbin supporters anyway so they’re bound to oppose any direction from Keir Starmer.

Is there a script that you follow?

Casdon

Well let’s hope that they form their own party Retiredwell, in the long term that is the best solution for British politics.

I agree Casdon. A left wing party well funded by the broader Labour movement in Britain that holds the core values of the of that movement as its core policies could be very attractive to many in the electorate.

Should that new party also be pro European then it could be Britains rallying point for the first real steps towards the United Kingdom re-joining the EU.

We can only hope, but it is becoming a real prospect I feel.

Well let’s hope that they form their own party Retiredwell, in the long term that is the best solution for British politics.

Thirty seven Labour MPs defied the imposed Labour Party whip yesterday to vote against The European Union future relationship bill with that number including three front bench members.

The above marked the lowest day in Kier Starmer's short leadership of the party as it was demonstrated that he is now unable to control a significant number in the Parliamentary Party.

The Bill would have past in Parliament without Labour support, and in that, it became obvious that many of the rebels were voting against Starmer as leader along with their opposition to the Bill.

Should Peace & Justice become a political party in January (as very many are hoping) then those thirty seven along with others could form its foundation in Parliament.

Thank you for that, varian I was wondering about their reasoning, so their not voting for the deal will make it easier to criticise it later on, when the limitations and extra bureaucracy become more obvious.
Difficult decision though, they certainly don't want no deal.

OK, it will not be quite as bad as no deal, but this is why the Liberal Democrats will not support Johnson's bad deal.

twitter.com/EdwardJDavey/status/1342847640871047171?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

In supporting this trade agreement Starmer is doing "totally" the wrong thing. This so-called consensus will do enormous damage to many British industries, but in supporting this Bill the Labour Party will be unable to criticise this government for that damage for they will have assisted in bringing that harm about.

The agreement has only one benefit as it secures British fresh, chilled and frozen food supplies from Europe. However, much bureaucracy will be introduced to food transport along with all other freight. Therefore, the Labour Party should abstain in the Parliamentary vote on the Bill which will enable it to criticise in the House of Commons in the future the disastrous fallout that will undoubtedly come from passing this trade agreement.

Kier Starmer leads Her Majesty's Opposition and it must always remain in a position to do just that. Many Labour MPs realise that situation and will oppose the Bill even though the party whip is being imposed.

Of course, "Dictator" Starmer ploughs on, once again demonstrating he has no perception. In that, he seems unable to realise he is placing the Labour Party and all its MPs in an impossible position for the future.

It is time for a radical change in left political thinking in Britain.

I just don't know if he is doing the right thing or not. I have just read on another thread that those of the Northern Irish MPs who take their seats in the commons are going to vote against the deal. I wonder what their reasoning is.
The ERG are reported to be scrutinising the deal before making a decision, perhaps it would have been better if Keir Starmer had done the same, or would that make it more difficult to criticise parts of it later. Opinion does seem divided, I know that Neil Kinnock thinks the Labour party should vote against.

In Wales the ‘red wall’ is the Welsh National Football Team’s fans, used before it was acquired as a political term!

"Red Wall voters" - do you mean the traditional labour voters in the NE who voted for brexit? if so, good point. Starmer could be trying to win them back. Still strange though.and a misjudgement on his part imo.
As has been said before, Starmer is clever and performs well at PMQ but is still very vague about his socialist principles.

I suppose it's he "Get Brexit done" concept.
Annie you could read Gany's link but anyway
Lord Waheed Alli and Robert Latham donated £100,000 to Starmer.

Martin Taylor donated £95,000. Lord Clive Hollick and Sir Trevor Chinn donated £50,000.

Is it assumed then that the Red Wall voters are in favour of a deal? If so, I can see the reasoning behind support for the deal. But didn't some of the Red Wall voters want no deal?

Who are these alleged rich donors ?

There more usual assumption is that he's trying to appeal to the Red Wall voters.

But I'll leave you to the hate fest...

Ilovecheese

Would the Brexit deal pass without Labour support? I thought some Tory MPs were going to oppose it? I can see that the deal does need to get passed, because it is better than no deal at all, but I don't understand why Labour should give it full endorsement if it would pass without them.
What is the reasoning behind Keir Starmer's decision?

Sucking up to rich donors?????

Ilovecheese

Would the Brexit deal pass without Labour support? I thought some Tory MPs were going to oppose it? I can see that the deal does need to get passed, because it is better than no deal at all, but I don't understand why Labour should give it full endorsement if it would pass without them.
What is the reasoning behind Keir Starmer's decision?

I saw an article by Jonathon Lis in which he did the figures for different scenarios. The conclusion was that the number of ERG rebels wouldn't be sufficient to stop the bill passing whatever Labour did; oppose or abstain.

I'll try to find it if people would like me to.

I can't think why on earth Labour should support the tories to pass the bill. They'll just have guilt by association when it all goes pear shaped.

Would the Brexit deal pass without Labour support? I thought some Tory MPs were going to oppose it? I can see that the deal does need to get passed, because it is better than no deal at all, but I don't understand why Labour should give it full endorsement if it would pass without them.
What is the reasoning behind Keir Starmer's decision?

So effectively we now have two main political parties at the beck and call of a few rich donors. It doesn't bode well for democracy and ordinary people does it?
Thanks for posting that link Grany

The Labour Party: for the money not the few?
Sean Rankin and Steven McCracken investigate which groups and which individuals have been funding Corbyn and Starmer.

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/the-labour-party-for-the-money-not-the-few/?fbclid=IwAR3nK2RWL5ZQFJTR86n_81o_PaX0nr3qgAeiKoSXcqNQlUj69b_uXzBGyHo

Yes indeed Starmer is a Red Tory

His "will not allow a second Independence referendum in Scotland" might have just lost him the ONE The ONLY Labour MP they have the vile Mr Murray from Edinburgh.He of the Union Jack suits .Being told we're NOT ALLOWED is a certainty that we'll push for exactly that which is NOT allowed.Though quite why Starmer thinks he can tell us that is a mystery ...he obviously doesn't know Labour party history.Keir HARDIE and Robert Bontine Cunningham Graham had Home Rule for Scotland as a core policy ..and Cunningham Graham (Don Roberto ) went on to be Leader of the. National Party of Scotland and its first MP Starmer is just another RED TORY ,socialism may be alive in the grass roots but the hierarchy want to wipe it out!

Yes agree Starmer does dictate authoritarian.
The thing is the Brexit deal will pass without any Labour MPs voting so what is reason to back government.

Also Starmer brought in a way to attract voters, members to phone many people to ask vote Labour there is a chart with the most calls made getting a Visit from Starmer ha. He should and AR turn up at LP meetings anyway. Why would members need this as incentive!?

Then there is the case of Assange

Sir Keir Starmer is less critical of the Extradition Treaty than Boris Johnson, says John Cook

Assange’s legal team have been arguing that the Extradition Treaty is being abused in the pursuit of Trump’s ‘war on investigative journalism’. Jeremy Corbyn questioned Boris Johnson on the case in a recent prime minister’s question time. Even Johnson had to admit that the Treaty is ‘unbalanced’.

In an astounding intervention in this debate Sir Keir Starmer has managed to repeat the arguments of the US prosecution and give a more resounding endorsement of the Treaty than the Tory Prime Minister.

Kier Starmer now faces further divisions in the Parliamentary Labour Party regarding his decision to place his MPs under a whip to support the EU trade agreement. Many Labour MPs are arguing that in supporting the bill it will take away the power to criticise any detrimental effects the agreement may have on various British industries in the future.

Several junior ministers are threatening to resign their positions over the issue with senior members of the shadow cabinet also reported to be deeply unhappy with the whip being brought into use on this occasion. Once more the issue brings into sharp focus the problem that the Labour Party has had since the referendum, that being, its supporters in the North of England are pro Brexit while it's supporters in the south are very anti-Brexit.

Perhaps now Starmer will appreciate Jeremy Corbyn maintaining a strict position of upholding the Delegate Conference policy of calling a General Election, followed by a renegotiation, followed by a second referendum.

Once more Starmer by dictating to the party rather than discussing and perswading has caused a further deep division in the movement.

Time for a real change and that will hopefully begin to come about on January 17th.

Link to the above can be found here:-
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/24/keir-starmer-to-whip-his-mps-to-support-thin-brexit-deal