Who will be left in the Labour Party?

So do I! As for MayBee70's question I can't see what that has to do with the discussion. Or is it just an attempt to deflect things?

Well it's a topic that interests at the moment Starmer and Evens getting rid of those on the left including an 84 year old Jewish lady Are they ridding the party of antisemitism as they say or socialism? A letter has been written to the leadership KS with concerns about Labour Party Democracy. I agree with what Retiredwell has to say.

Retired well. Have you just joined gransnet to criticise Keir Starmer or do you have any other things you’d like to chat about?

MayBee70

Retired well: if there was another election then there would be a new manifesto on which to base any decisions. Also the last Labour Party manifesto resulted in one of the worst defeats for Labour in living memory with no chance of overturning the current government for years. But sorry, I forget the fact that the defeat was nothing to do with the manifesto, the leader etc. It was all Keir Starmers fault.

MayBee70, the policies I listed in my post at 16:29 today have been core to the Labour Party since 2016. However, it is unclear whether Starmer still supports those policies has he has not acknowledged such since his election as leader.

If that matter is to be left unclear until just prior to the next General Election, then affiliate trade union members who pay for the Labour Party every month by wage deduction may go on paying as such four another four years only to find just prior to that election that ending Zero hour contracts, Gig economy working and trade union legislation is not supported by Starmer's Labour Party.

That is simply not on and trade union political levy paying members would be better placed putting their money elsewhere now. Which is what many have already signalled to their union executives being as what they wish to do.

I agree with him on that ilovecheese. I think they made the decision too quickly and now cant back down. I suppose there is an arguement that the government have provided the advice (dont do it) and it's up to the population what they do with that advice. I would be more sympathetic to that strategy if Johnson wasnt trying to be the hero of the hour, and would rather plough ahead than be unpopular.

Retired well: if there was another election then there would be a new manifesto on which to base any decisions. Also the last Labour Party manifesto resulted in one of the worst defeats for Labour in living memory with no chance of overturning the current government for years. But sorry, I forget the fact that the defeat was nothing to do with the manifesto, the leader etc. It was all Keir Starmers fault.

Have people nothing else to concern them apart from policies
of any party ? Covid perhaps

What do people think about Keir Starmer saying that Boris Johnson should change the rules for Christmas?

Starmer in his leadership campaign stated if elected go would uphold the policies of Labours 2019 general election campaign. However, since his election, as far as I am aware, Starmer has made no mention of policies whatsoever. In that, Len McCluskey stated a few weeks back that no one was is aware of what the Labour Party stands for at this point on any matter of interest to working people and their families.

So, can anyone inform me what is Labours policies on Zero Hour Contracts, Gig Economy Terms of Working, Social housing or revoking anti trade union legislation?

What what would be the point of electing the Labour Party into government if all the country gets is a Tory government under a different colour.

You could well be right Galaxy

Yes, trisher I agree that you have been talking about it, and quite rightly, because the present make up of the party is what is important now, not the past.

No being electable is not important for many. The ability to actually impact on peoples lives rather than talking about it.
I think Starmer has a long road ahead ilovecheese to answer your question. I think he is still likely to be the one who makes the party electable rather than the one who becomes PM, but I may be wrong. I think the damage that has been done in terms of voter trust will take years to unpick.

I think Starmer and the LP have been talked about. Those of us on the left have asked about what he really stands for and why he has voted the way he has since he took over as leader. We have questioned why the leaked report has not been acted on, why he isn't doing as the EHRC suggested, why he hasn't upheld human rights and many other questions. The answer we seem to get is that he is great in PMQT and is electable. In my opinion that doesn't mean he is a good LP member.

Yes, lemongrove I believe that would be true. which is why, I think, publications like The Daily Express are talking it up.

Also, it keeps the focus away from the current Labour Party, which nobody seems to want to talk about.

‘Peace and Justice’.

The Jewish MP’s certainly didn’t get these

I think it’s because it’s damaging, even in a small way ( and it may be growing into a larger way) to the PLP and Keir Starmer. After so very many years of Conservatives winning elections, anything that prolongs factionalism may be a problem.

"It comes from the Daily Express who certainly are no friend of Labour. "

Exactly.

Ilovecheese, here is just one of the media reports on the media regarding the Justice & Peace organisation becoming a political party. It comes from the Daily Express who certainly are no friend of Labour. It outlines how it may not become a political party in itself, but assist in the formation of such in other groups. Ether way will suit me and many others without doubt.

There is also no end to the tweets and posts on Twitter and Facebook etc and on the trade union sites snd forums, if you are a member of any, regarding the need for a new party of the left.

Link below:-
www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1372087/Jeremy-Corbyn-news-Labour-leader-Peace-and-Justice-Project-explained-evg

But why keep talking about him if you don't want him in the limelight?

What matters is the current Labour party. Can nobody find anything to say about it now?

Is it just more fun for his critics to keep on being unpleasant?

lemongrove

Surely the reason that anyone is mentioning Corbyn is just that he is heading a new faction/ group ‘Peace and Justice Movement’.
He is trying to keep himself in the limelight, or others are trying to keep him there as a figurehead for what he and they believe could be a break away party to rival Labour.

I think in the future it will be known as Trump syndrome.

No, it isn’t .....yet.?
Am sure some will hope so though, possibly including Corbyn.After all, why start up something like this instead of concentrating on building up the LP, is it just to give Corbyn something to do when not on his allotment?

But it isn't a breakaway party. That is just a bit of wishful thinking, the only place I have seen the suggestion is on this forum.

Surely the reason that anyone is mentioning Corbyn is just that he is heading a new faction/ group ‘Peace and Justice Movement’.
He is trying to keep himself in the limelight, or others are trying to keep him there as a figurehead for what he and they believe could be a break away party to rival Labour.

The "new management " will have to own their own actions eventually. People cannot go on blaming Jeremy Corbyn indefinitely, any more than the Conservatives could go on blaming "the mess left by Labour".
The Labour party as it is now, is what matters, not continuing to talk about the past.
What should Keir Starmer be doing to improve Labour's poll ratings?
What should he be suggesting to the Government that would help the country come through the pandemic?
Should he whip his MPs to vote for an eventual Brexit deal?

It really does not look to me that it is the left wing members that can't forget Jeremy Corbyn, but the more right wing, because they no longer have him to blame for any and all mistakes and missteps.

Of course Corbyn made mistakes one of them being that he actually believed most people were working to acheive a Labour government in 2017. Most of the LP were prepared to give Starmer a chance and looked forward to a party that wouldn't be factionalised but united with real investigations into the causes of the 2017 defeat. It seems that everyone was mistaken about that. Nothing has been done and some of the deisions taken are quite frankly not socialist or Labour. That's why the unions are not supporting him and that's why he is being challenged.