Who will be left in the Labour Party?

Is it truly democratic that the Labour Party have to dance to the tune of the trade unions? I mean, McCluskey isn’t voted for by Labour Party members is he?. Wasn’t it distrust of the unions and their power that brought Margaret Thatcher to power all those years ago and has that distrust ever gone away? Labour really do need to to the bottom of why the very people they want to help are voting Conservative. I’m not knocking unions by the way. Although I do personally loathe Len McCluskey.

There’s no need to be patronising trisher - if you couldn’t remember that you and I had the same conversation a few days ago that’s fine with me - and I’m sure it’s fine with you if your compelling arguments haven’t convinced me either, shall we just agree to differ?

Casdon people sometimes develop their ideas from the original into other areas, but if you haven't that's OK. It seems fairly obvious that unless Starmer re-adjusts his attitude the Union money will not go to the LP. I'm wondering if the Cooperative Party will become more important and receive the funding.

Trisher you asked me what I thought about that in virtually the exact same words on the Corbyn thread, refer back to that if you’re interested- I’m realising this is a circular debate, or actually, more like the Wizard’s Chess game. The question is, who is Ron Weasley?

So what is Corbyn going to announce tomorrow? Is it just me but doesn’t Corbyns assumption that he lost the election because of the news media, his own party etc etc sound a bit like Trump refusing to acknowledge that the Republicans lost the election because of their leader?

I wrote earlier that husband recently had a letter from the local LP asking for £50 to renew his membership.
So not a one-off payment now.

They wouldn't raise much that way though, varian so membership might become so expensive as to be out of reach for people who didn't earn much, whose voices also need to be heard. Especially as since this pandemic we know who really keeps the country going. ( clue: it's not hedge fund managers)

Surely all political parties should be funded by their members and not by big business or trade unions?

Casdon who do you think will fund the party Starmer leads?

Retiredwell, you’re right - I think that’s what has to happen though, the divisions are too deep for it to remain one party. Those on the left of the party will have choices to make, my guess is that a lower proportion will splinter off than people are predicting but until it happens we won’t know.

Casdon

If Gransnet posters are representative of the voting public (which of course they aren’t) then it definitely would be the ‘far left’ who are disgruntled with his actions. Most Labour voters I know think he’s doing what has to be done to make the party electable again.

The problem is that the way Starmer is leading Labour he will in all probability not be governing a single identity left of centre party to make electable in the not too distant future?

If Gransnet posters are representative of the voting public (which of course they aren’t) then it definitely would be the ‘far left’ who are disgruntled with his actions. Most Labour voters I know think he’s doing what has to be done to make the party electable again.

But it isn't the "far left" who are getting sick of Starmer and rebelling. Many of the CLPs who have chosen to ignore his instructions about what they can or cannot debate supported him when he was elected. I think most people in the LP were prepared to give him a chance, what they weren't prepared for was someone who would steadily and consistently disregard the core values of the party.

Surely the intention is to split the far left off, as they aren’t going to be electable with the extremists in the party.

Retiredwell

Starmer will not be leader of the Labour Party at the time of the next election if the party is to survive as one broad church identity. Should he remain then Labour will split into two separate parties formed from the left and right wings of the present party. There can be no other way.

I actually think that, unless they start working together of their own accord, they will split whoever is leader.

Left won't stand for another centrist and the centre won't stand for another leftist.

So with the exception of the Corbinites , voters did have the
intelligence to think for themselves and were brainwashed by
the press .

Oh not again.

Starmer will not be leader of the Labour Party at the time of the next election if the party is to survive as one broad church identity. Should he remain then Labour will split into two separate parties formed from the left and right wings of the present party. There can be no other way.

Well Said Retiredwell Excellent

Believe this or not.

We very nearly had a Corbyn government in 2017 So people did vote for him.

everything possible was used to prevent a Labour victory in 2019

Blair and co raised £1000s and Mandelson said every day in anyway be it a phone call whatever I try to prevent a Corbyn government.
Groups with bill boards speakers out try to stop Labour gaining power.

The Billionaire newspapers especially The Mail, Express and Sun had pages and pages every day smearing Corbyn
BBC media in tandem.

The right of Labour worked very hard to stop their own party reaching government diverting money ect ect.
Then Jolly Johnson the liar "Get Brexit Done" The poor people those of the red wall were fooled.

The last GE results ( *because of Corbyn) were the most dismal since 1935.
Whatever you think of Starmer, at the next GE, if he doesn’t win it outright then it will be a close thing.

Anniebach

Starmer is not tearing the party apart, he is trying to repair
the damage caused by Corbyn who brought Labour the worse
election results since 1935

And yet in 2017 he delivered the best results since 1997 and that was with right wing elements in central office working against him. Who is to blame for ths Tory government? The right wing of the LP who are currently wreckng the party.

Starmer is not tearing the party apart, he is trying to repair
the damage caused by Corbyn who brought Labour the worse
election results since 1935

Strange isn’t it??
The Unions flooded Labour with money because they hoped he would be PM, membership increased massively from the far left and still they couldn’t win a GE.
There’s a lesson to be learned in there somewhere.

It is being stated by sources within the Unite Union that the organisation has not made any funding to the Labour Party since March of this year.

The figures stand in stark contrast to the first eight months of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, when Unite gave more than £1.5m in funding, according to records published by the Electoral Commission. On Thursday evening a Unite spokesperson said, “There’s no mad rush to get the cheque book out.”

However, despite Sir Keir’s determination to reduce Labour’s reliance on the trade unions, figures show that 90 per cent of Labour’s income has come from them since he was elected. While Labour has launched a charm offensive to win back wealthy donors, just £199,000 has been donated by private individuals during that period.

In comparison, under Mr Corbyn, the Labour Party Central Office received £5.1m from trade unions during his first 244 days in charge, while individuals donated £627,000. Unite sources are suggesting the union has deliberately withheld the funding in protest at Starmer's shift away from his predecessor’s agenda and his exclusion of the left in the party.

They claimed that as a Labour affiliate, Unite had until recently released funding in advance every quarter, but had chosen not to do so since Starmer's election.

It would seem that while Starmer tears the Labour Party apart, the Tory Party extreme right wing in Britain runs wild with no coherent political brake to oppose them whatsoever.

Link to the above can be found here:-
news.yahoo.com/unite-fails-donate-labour-since-191822032.html