Who will be left in the Labour Party?

The voters didn’t want Corbyn

Agree trisher the way leader and his cohorts are behaving are not Labour beliefs

Ilovecheese yes agree conservative with small c Starmer doesn't want to upset those on the right.

I don’t think LP supporters on this thread ( or anywhere else) are conservatives with a small c ( or even a large one) nor do they want all the things that Ilovecheese lists, so if not ironic it’s just plain wrong.
What they didn’t want was Corbyn in Number 10.

I thought it was fairly obviously ironic....but there you go.

I have a very well-developed sense of irony thanks, lemon, and I have often used it on other threads.

So if Ilovecheese was employing hers/his just now then it was a very realistic take on the views certain others on this thread have already expressed and who believe that only they know the "real" Labour Party beliefs.

Rambling.....have you no sense of irony??
I think you will find that Ilovecheese was employing some.

Ilovecheese has given a brilliant description of the beliefs of members of the Conservative Party.

Who will be left in the Labour Party? Here are a few examples.

People with sensible views who genuinely wish to form the next Government and not be unelectable.
People who are not happy with our utilities being owned by private companies or foreign Governments but equally do not intend to nationalise everything that moves.
People who want to see more homes being built for our children and more social housing for those in need.
People who want a proper minimum wage and not having to rely on foodbanks, a fairer tax system that ensures that the rich do not get away with not paying their fair share of tax. Help for people fo find work, whether by retraining or other schemes.
People who think rights at work should be protected and extended to ensure that employers treat them fairly; to get rid of the gig economy and zero hours contracts and a national limit on hours worked per week that is properly enforced.
Abolish the House of Lords and have a properly elected Upper Chamber, chuck out the baronets, hereditary peers and other scroungers. Scrap the Honours system and chumocracy for political donations.

If Ilovecheese finds the current Labour party not to er/his liking, just leave if you are a member or form a new party if you are not. Then you will be able to spout all the conspiracy theories you want and don't expect the majority of sensible, left-leaning people to be listening.

Who will be left in the Labour party?
I think it will be people with fairly small c conservative values, who do not want to vote for the Conservative party.
People who are happy with our utilities being owned by private companies or foreign Governments, as long as they are not owned by our Government.
People who see no need for new council houses or really affordable houses to buy.
People who don't want to see other people starve, but don't want them to have much spare cash if they are unable to work or unable to find work.
People who think working people have enough rights at work at it is, and see no need to extend those rights, or to try and give workers a better work life balance.
People who think that every body who is on a zero hours contract is doing so out of choice.

Grany thanks for that. It really is hard to see how such authoritarian and unaccountable behaviour by the leader and his cohorts fits with LP beliefs.

lemongrove why, I said it was my opinion? It’s not hard to see this happening at all though, just look at the history of British politics.

With politics Casdon it’s probably wise to not make any exact predictions.?

It won’t be four years lemongrove, I’d give it two at the most as the impact of Brexit really hits home and we plunge into recession, the remainers in the Tory party will regroup, distance themselves from the right and it will implode.

The divisions in the party are just as deep as those in the Labour Party, who will have had more time to get themselves into an electable state. C’est la vie.

I wouldn't bank on the Tories ‘imploding’ Casdon as four years is a long time in politics ( or, as they say, a week is!)
A year ago Corbyn had a shot at being PM, now he isn’t even a Labour MP.
Starmer was definitely the right choice of LOTO.

For me the best way to look at it is - he’s done what had to be done, and made one hell of a lot less of a mess than Boris has made of the Tories’ chances of being electable again. He will have a couple of years before the Tories implode to rebuild, which is what is needed, without the extreme left wing elements, to make the party electable next time.

No he damn well hasn’t Grany... he has been working towards making the LP electable for the future, an uphill battle it seems with former Corbyn supporters yapping at his heels.He has plenty of time to do it, fortunately.

Suspended from the Labour Party - Interview with Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi

m.youtube.com/watch?v=b2pWVam6Hs0

In case antibody is vaguely interested.
I suppose Starmer can turn around by May but he has made an awful mess as leader of Labour Party so far.

Gary Neville slams Starmer's lack of opposition, from the Canary skwawkbox.org/2020/12/06/video-footballer-gary-neville-slams-starmers-lack-of-opposition-youve-got-to-take-a-position-hes-sat-in-the-stand-while-the-home-team-had-a-clear-run/#comments

Labour right linked to campaign to shut down the Canary

On 2 August 2019, an anonymous internet campaign named Stop Funding Fake News (SFFN) celebrated its apparent success in downsizing The Canary. For six months, SFFN had been trying to demonetise The Canary by lobbying companies to remove advertisements from its website.

The Canary can now reveal that Morgan McSweeney, Keir Starmer’s chief of staff, launched the organisation that now runs SFFN.

SFFN CEO Imran Ahmed has also worked closely with a number of Labour figures previously involved in the campaign to remove Jeremy Corbyn as party leader.

Thank you for that link Grany very informative. I sympathise with your feelings Franbern. It was a huge wrench for me to leave the Labour Party which I did only after much soul searching.
I have supported them all my life, but no longer feel that they represent what I believe socialism to be.
It is sad that many members are leaving in droves when this country is crying out for a strong opposition to the most incompetent government that we have ever had.

Yes agree very concerning about the right stopping free speech and purging the left many of who are Jews who support Palestinians. Don't think Starmer should listen to his advisors on the right who want to get rid of thoses on the left who support Corbyn.

Starmer is a member of the Trilateral Commision,

Starmer’s name first appeared on the membership list of the Trilateral Commission in April 2019. Out of 650 MP’s, he was the only one invited to become a member. These perhaps aren’t the sort of people Sir Keir would see as an ideal photo opportunity, to be used in his campaign highlighting his “lefty credentials”.

What we have is Sir Keir Starmer, as part of an organisation that Holly Sklar, who edited a book on the organisation entitled “Trilateralism: The Trilateral Commission and Elite Planning for World Management”, identifies as the commission that “represents the interests of multinational corporations and banks”. This means it is contrary to the interests of so-called ‘non-developed’ countries and workers the world over.

It wants wages kept low. It wants voters kept apathetic and polarised.

Here is link in Labour Heartlands

labourheartlands.com/sir-keir-starmer-the-establishment-candidate-the-labour-leadership-race-and-the-trilateral-commission/?fbclid=IwAR1BDUNY5uFk_eNWoEM0fVaQzKOMM7jYRX04GbnWevlMSayVnmXcUzaC0dQ

to 'dehumanise' Line 5

Naomi was Vice Chair of the Constituency Labour Party to which I belonged before I moved. Did not agree with everything she said, but she is a wonderful, compassionate person who deeply believes in socialism.
I am very horrified at this term 'self-hating jew' It has been concocted to try to 'humanise' the thousands of jewish members of the Labour Party who, as socialists, are very against the right wing government in Israel - as, indeed, are many of the electorate in that country - are they also self-hating jews?
In the meanwhile every Labour Party has lost hundreds of members, and are now not even being permitted to discuss anything to do with Palenstine, or the whip withdrawal from Corbyn.
Am I a self-hating jew because I see the horrendous treatment of the Palenstinians as close to fascism?. I think it is just my socialist principles coming to the fore.
I am finding the Stalinist control of what may be and may be part of any discussion or motion in Labour Parties something which goes against every principle of Free Speech I have always held. 'I may not like what you say - but I would defend your right to say it'/

I did not agree a lot with much that Coryby said, however thousands joined the Labour Party when he became leader, and many of these were young people. It is they who have now left again. Corbyn was subjected to the most virulent campaign by the the media kings, as they were never going to accept that any form of socialist could.PM become

I really do not know if I can 'stay in and fight' or just leave and continue handing over the Labour Party to the non socialists that are there.

lemongrove What was "deeply unpleasant" about Idrissi's broadcast?

I don't think she watched it. She said that the link didn't work.

There was absolutely nothing in the Naomi Winborne Idrissi broadcast that was offensive in any way. It was an eloquent and intelligent analysis of how the voices of people who support Palestine are being drowned out and accusations of racism being made against them if they dare to raise some very pertinent concerns about human rights.

I was not a huge fan of Starmer but hoped I could support him as leader of the LP. Now that members are being forbidden to discuss issues, and perfectly reasonable people are being suspended from the party I am not sure that I can continue as a member. There has to be something that differentiates Labour from Conservative and at the moment there appears to be very little.

lemongrove What was "deeply unpleasant" about Idrissi's broadcast?

I have been a LP member and a Palestinian supporter for many years. It is only in the last year I have felt constrained in speaking out for human rights for Palestinians for fear of being considered anti Semitic, which indeed I am not. Perhaps Grany is not so far off the mark?

Well I was trying to moderate my feelngs towards Starmer, reading his speeches and questioning my ideas. But really this is too much when Free speech is condemned what on earth is the LP about?