How confident are you in a good deal for the UK?

Lemongrove do you know any Scottish fishing families?
My next door neighbour runs a trawler off Tiree .According to him the EU saved the fishing industry ,the waters were being overfished by the big guns and that was controlled and fish are far more plentiful now.
Seems many on here cant read.The EU is only responsible for 5% of Scottish regulations ...and we voted for them all.
On the other hand WM has around 80% control and we have NO say because of the structure of the WM parliament .I must make a list of all the things we're not ALLOWED control of ...which included the right to make decisions about how our own money is spent.What use to us is HS2 or Trident or London Sewers or London Crossrail ..etc etc etc.Yet me have no option but to pay "our share " towards these things .In truth WM cant survive without Scotlands financial support .IF you can be arsed check out FACTS ,not the garbage the WM governmnet has been feeding you all your life

I can't make up my mind whether or not to make this a separate thread (in the hopes that some Leavers might read it because I think they've probably abandoned it by now). But here it is about the paperwork and checks needed for exporting to the EU, deal or no deal.

Intro:

For decades we have had frictionless trade with Europe in the customs union and single market. The customs union got rid of tariffs, which are taxes on goods entering a territory, and the single market harmonised regulations, which means goods are made to the same standards. Once you're outside of them, you need checks at the border to make sure people are paying the right tax and complying with the regulations.

Long read in between this and the last para

Amid RHA and Bifa concerns about the lack of progress, HMRC, Defra, the HO, the Dft, the BPDG and the TTF are building up IT systems for post-Brexit GB-EU trade and particularly for RoRo at Dover-Calais which will involve exporters submitting import/export declarations to Chief and the CDS, S&S information to S&S GB and ICS, and collating their SPS documentation - including an EHC filled out by an CSO under the supervision of an OV sent via a BCP - with the importer lodging it on Traces NT, while generating a GMR via GVMS and SI Brexit, and then HGVs getting a KAP, all to avoid the RWCS.

Know what that's all about?

No?

You'll have to read it all...

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/12/10/everything-you-need-to-know-about-day-one-of-brexit

The article posted above is about what is known to Leave voters as 'getting rid of red tape'...

paddyanne Fri 11-Dec-20 11:19:42

My next door neighbour runs a trawler off Tiree .According to him the EU saved the fishing industry ,the waters were being overfished by the big guns and that was controlled and fish are far more plentiful now.

Jaberwok Tue 08-Dec-20 18:03:42
In 1973 our fishing grounds were not fished out, no body's were

Now, who to believe?

The fishing industry is the biggest polluter of the seas and if you don’t think fish stocks have declined think again.

I think I'd rather believe this

www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-54756574

The fishing industry is the biggest polluter of the seas and if you don’t think fish stocks have declined think again.

vegansrock you’re possibly unaware of the role of the Inshore Fisheries Conservation Authorities. They’re funded by local authorities and they work with fishermen and marine biologists to ensure that fishing is carried out in a sustainable way.
Here’s a link to our local one here in Northumberland www.nifca.gov.uk/about

MaizieD

paddyanne Fri 11-Dec-20 11:19:42

My next door neighbour runs a trawler off Tiree .According to him the EU saved the fishing industry ,the waters were being overfished by the big guns and that was controlled and fish are far more plentiful now.

Jaberwok Tue 08-Dec-20 18:03:42
In 1973 our fishing grounds were not fished out, no body's were

Now, who to believe?

I think the EU were the saviours. In my working life I met quite a few fishermen and they were all of that opinion.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/boris-johnson-backers...

Won't let me paste it.

The fish stocks got to low ebb when they banned landing undersized fish, which were discarded dead, surprise, surprise all the juveniles disappeared, that was an EU policy. Eventually they changed to larger nets, quotas and you land everything for inspection.

The one very damaging practice is industrial fishing where they scrape everything up to make into fish meal for salmon farms. That needs much more regulating

BJ is getting cold shouldered today and is squealing about sovereignty, which is nothing at all to do with a trade deal. Who knows what will happen when they meet on Sunday, maybe the UK will face up to reality - yes, you really are facing chaos in 2 weeks.

The EUs offer to extend basic rules for transport by 6 months has to be accepted by the UK. The recognition of equivalent standards for licensing and safety has been agreed in advance BUT apparently is dependant on a deal being done.

The fish stocks got to low ebb when they banned landing undersized fish, which were discarded dead,

I don't quite understand how that logic works. If they've been caught, they've been caught, and they're going to be dead whether you throw them back or land them. Surely it's the fact that juveniles were catchable (net holes too small) that diminished the stock, not what happened to them once caught?

Johnson’s done another photo shoot today hasn’t he?

paddyanne

Lemongrove do you know any Scottish fishing families?
My next door neighbour runs a trawler off Tiree .According to him the EU saved the fishing industry ,the waters were being overfished by the big guns and that was controlled and fish are far more plentiful now.
Seems many on here cant read.The EU is only responsible for 5% of Scottish regulations ...and we voted for them all.
On the other hand WM has around 80% control and we have NO say because of the structure of the WM parliament .I must make a list of all the things we're not ALLOWED control of ...which included the right to make decisions about how our own money is spent.What use to us is HS2 or Trident or London Sewers or London Crossrail ..etc etc etc.Yet me have no option but to pay "our share " towards these things .In truth WM cant survive without Scotlands financial support .IF you can be arsed check out FACTS ,not the garbage the WM governmnet has been feeding you all your life

Like your ‘facts’ about what a friend of a friend of a friend recounted after a Brussels drink party Paddy ??
Of course...every word the SNP blether is absolute gospel I suppose.

MaizieD

^The fish stocks got to low ebb when they banned landing undersized fish, which were discarded dead,^

I don't quite understand how that logic works. If they've been caught, they've been caught, and they're going to be dead whether you throw them back or land them. Surely it's the fact that juveniles were catchable (net holes too small) that diminished the stock, not what happened to them once caught?

There was a minimum size that could be landed so they were discarded
Thereby destroying next years catch

Yeah, I 'get' the theory, David, but once they've been caught and hauled on board they're dead or dying anyway. So, keep them, or throw them back, it all amounts to the same result. Fewer live juvenile fish...

zero hope of a good deal - Johnson was always aiming for a no-deal

Kestrel

zero hope of a good deal - Johnson was always aiming for a no-deal

The mood music is beginning to change from No 10..

Johnson has to decide whether his is on the side of business or the right wing of his party.

Poor old Al just can't make up his mind, can he? Ruin the country or split the party...

It's a hard one...

This is what we’ve got to put up with thanks to brexit

Kaya Burgess
@kayaburgess
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Was about to order a bunk bed for our sons. Got to checkout to find delivery charge is a whopping £80.

Just asked the firm on their live-chat if this could possibly be right.

Their reply is below. They said delivery used to be £20.

At the last election I was telling opposite two Tory ladies who told me they were both Remainers but could not possibly do anything to split the Conservative party. They knew full well that BJ was a liar and a charlatan but they would always put party before country.

That sounds rather suspect to me TBH WW2. An on line supplier will have stocks in the UK and they wont be buying one set of bunk beds at a time from the EU; they buy in bulk.

So unless they are ordering one set of bunk beds to supply your order, which is extremely unlikely I honestly don't see how they can justify an £80 delivery charge.

You'd probably be better off going to an independent retail furniture store/bed shop specialist, rather than purchasing on line.

Until Mr. S. retired 2 years ago, we ran an independent retail furniture business and were always shocked at the delivery charges online suppliers made.

PS in all the years we were in business, our suppliers of bunk beds were from the Far East, not the EU.

Tories always choose Party over country (eg Hameron)