Boris Johnson: no-deal Brexit now a 'strong possibility'

Gunboats
How do we expect the foreigners to stop fishing out waters without the Navy policing fishing boats. In the Icelandic cod 14 frigates were detailed to that, and we still lost.

Exactly David.

And yes whitewave, it’s embarrassing.

Gun boats????

This country gets more insane by the day

Wittering on about sovereignty affecting a trade deal is just typical of those who think that Britannia still rules the waves and can’t accept that that ended 100 yrs ago. When Britain. was workshop of the world, we could send a gunboat up the Yangtze and the locals would tremble, we had an empire on which he sun never set.

That has all gone now, those home industries we had have been flogged off to foreign companies that cream off the profits, international tech companies take another slice online.
It seems our biggest asset is Financial Services and their biggest asset is perceived integrity and honesty, the way that the UK has conducted negotiations has been the opposite.

Attitudes to the UK has changed, there will be a lot less business coming to the City in future EU countries will expand their own and quite likely tax ours. So all we have left is Hedge Fund traders with computer algorithms, all their profits end up in tax havens. We hear about the profit they make but for every profit someone else makes a loss, in between a broker takes a commission, there are some companies that “hedge” currency, probably 99% of trades are purely gambling.

The voice of reason David

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I am going to say goodnight to every body and thanks for all your input. No offence taken all views taken. All I have to finish with is.

Mr Macron after 31 December there is no cake

I had a house in France, I was horrified we voted to leave but, the way attitudes changed after the referendum and the animosity regarding us leaving made me cross and sad, I could recount a number of instances that were not only aggressive and unpleasant but deeply weird and not just in France. I have spent the last 15 years in France and around Europe so I have a fairly reasonable take on it. I would have voted for Biden

Of course the UK would have to meet legislative rules. They don't want to be undercut. Unless you're a complete ideologue who thinks the rest of the world owes the UK a living then it would be obvious.

It's like all the shock horror at the 90 day visit rule. That's always been the rule for non-EU citizens visiting the Shengen area. Just as the UK has always allowed 180 days for visitors from outside the EU.

I have no idea why people are so surprised.

We were a sovereign state when we were in the EU as well. And we can now choose to sit in splendid isolation or get over ourselves and compromise to get a trading deal.

I suspect the hedge funds will win - they won when Johnson became prime minster.

To be honest the EU have played their ace card. By insisting on total fishing rights and demanding that the UK meets their legislative rules they knew that any sovereign country could not accept those two conditions. Why! because if they give a free trade deal to the UK then the remaining 27 states will want the same meaning that no money is received into the EU coffers and the EU ceases to exist. There will never be a free trade deal.

Nezumi65

Yeah of course you were a remainer Sunny. Just like all the Trump supporting remainers on Twitter.

Yes: Sunny really seems to have the mindset of a typical remain voter.

You'll be able to stay in an EU country for 90 days without a visa. (After Covid has buggered off).

So not great for second homers really.

Yeah of course you were a remainer Sunny. Just like all the Trump supporting remainers on Twitter.

GillT57
There's nothing to stop you retiring abroad. I bought a house in a non eu country and lived there. I had friends in the 60s who's parents had bought property in Spain.
Why do people think everything revolves around belonging to the eu ? There is life outside it.

I think you have a point Keeleklogger about the EU hoping to break the nerve of the UK but I think they under estimate us, I know several remainers myself included who are now hot to trot for a no deal, disgusted by the way the EU has behaved towards us and treated us like some mickey mouse non entity country. However, nobody is ever going to convince the hard line Guardian readers that the grubby little plebs (as they see them) that voted to leave and hence, have disgracefully denied them their extended breaks in the Dordogne and their delightful plat du jours and cheap Malbac, that leaving with a no deal is a positive opportunity for UK plc.
The EU is moving towards greater and greater integration it has to, to make it's desire for a fully integrated state, it will not work without fiscal divergence and we could never have been part of that.

It doesn't matter what the EU does. Johnson has always wanted No Deal. It was alway the outcome as soon as he was elected leader.

The EU's role in negotiations mattered when May was in charge - she did want a deal.

Johnson doesn't. His backers will become very wealthy courtesy of no deal.

Just like to point out that the EU also went through a painful period of austerity.

Mass protests on the streets. You can find articles detailing this.

It wasn't just us who faced austerity

My friends and family are of the same opinion as I am lemon. Shocked and angry at what had been foisted upon us by people misled by a dishonest government and vested interests. But, it is what it is and we will have to make the best of the mess we find ourselves in. We will manage, we will not starve but options for retirement abroad amongst other things have been thwarted so forgive me if I keep going on about it. Oh and do not assume anything about my friends and family or my "popularity" with them. We just amuse ourselves by mocking those who were fooled by the tabloid press and think that the disaster capitalists like Crispin Odey have the welfare of the UK public at heart.

Quote Sar53 Fri 11-Dec-20 22:20:16
As a pro Eurofile I was totally against leaving EU. However we voted to leave., this I have accepted. Although not a Boris supporter I would rather have him ratther than May or Cameron. We can't allow the EU to dictate our future. A deal would be preferable but not essential. Let's get on with it.

As a Brexit voter I couldn’t agree more Boris is an embarrassment and a buffoon

EU diplomats believe that by taking a hard line with the U.K. they can break Britain and force us back to the negotiating table.

like it or not there is a logic to that EU diplomats know that the U.K. is split down the middle on Brexit. By making Brexit as painful as possible they clearly hope that enough leavers would switch sides that the pressure on the government becomes unbearable.

As a pro Eurofile I was totally against leaving EU. However we voted to leave., this I have accepted. Although not a Boris supporter I would rather have him ratther than May or Cameron. We can't allow the EU to dictate our future. A deal would be preferable but not essential. Let's get on with it.

Then you won’t be very popular with friends and family
Gill?
Time (the great healer) ? will iron out your four year ( so far) anger.

Oh ffs. New poster or not (not a name I recognise but I am not here every day) my comment stands. Can I also point out that the poverty in this country is down to Tory austerity and try all you like, it cannot be blamed on the EU. You bet I am still angry kadinsky, I may be unable to change the mess you have landed us in but I will continue to remind all brexiteers of just what they have done when the truth hits next year.

Dear god. The obsession with WW2. Always by people who were never anywhere near it.
You are right lemongrove keel is indeed entitled to their viewpoint, as are those who say they find that view deeply unpleasant.

?Sorry Keel I gave you a sex change there!