New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

There has never been a group of posters more ganged upon than those who admitted to voting to leave the EU or the worse sin ever on the political threads - to have voted Conservative!!!!

Anyone doubting the above should perhaps read again some of the past ^Brexit Threads-

Lucca

EU fans “squeaking “. “Crowing”. And “parroting “. Apparently....

banging about - keep the list going.

It is bullying language, used by certain people instead of putting up a good argument. By internet posses and bully gangs. On a Grans Forum, it really should not have place.

Lucca

No. I’ll always be a remainer !

Rejoiners now, Lucca

My concern about the red wall is if he tries to keep the votes by flag waving rather than investment in poor communities.

We’ll see.

Barely a deal Terrible for fisherfolk and seed tattie farmers

Urmstongran

The brilliant thing about being out of the EU is that Boris, Sunak, Gove et al plan to introduce innovative ways of doing business, levelling up (they want to keep the that Red Wall not hand it back to Starmer in 3 years!).

If we just carried on as before what would be the point of Brexit?

We are about to embrace change. That’s the whole point of it all!

I am totally unclear why levelling up could not be done pre-Brexit.

If you are referring to me Nezumi65 I have only posted my source of information, no argument?

You seem to be arguing against something I haven’t said.

“It is the Financial Services share of UK total economic output” Source statistica 2020

Here’s the services contribution to GDP

The brilliant thing about being out of the EU is that Boris, Sunak, Gove et al plan to introduce innovative ways of doing business, levelling up (they want to keep the that Red Wall not hand it back to Starmer in 3 years!).

If we just carried on as before what would be the point of Brexit?

We are about to embrace change. That’s the whole point of it all!

GrannyGravy13

These figures took less than a minute to find, regarding UK financial services GDP

That’s not GDP

Nezumi65

I don’t have faux outrage about the deal. I just can’t understand why services (which produce 80% of our GDP blah blah blah) hasn’t been negotiated yet.

Because the EU have all the cards and is a powerful negotiator.

These figures took less than a minute to find, regarding UK financial services GDP

No. I’ll always be a remainer !

I don’t have faux outrage about the deal. I just can’t understand why services (which produce 80% of our GDP blah blah blah) hasn’t been negotiated yet.

Btw It’s now all just ‘us’ not Leavers or Remainers... merry bands or otherwise.Time to stop the recriminations about the referendum, anger about leaving the EU ( we have left) and constant faux outrage about the deal....Especially as you don’t really know what’s in it ( whatever is claimed on social media).

Not the exclusive tendency of EU supporters ? Brexiteers also hunt as a pack....

Nezumi65

Why would Gove lie? Are you serious?

Some of us remember when he lied about his own father, don’t we! When his father had to put the record straight.

Lucca

EU fans “squeaking “. “Crowing”. And “parroting “. Apparently....

Yes, ?birds of a feather flock together ( apparently)

Many of us have posted their detailed findings btw.

silly, pathetic and disgraceful language- and says more about the users than ...

Anyhow, we are not all experts, but the key is to know enough to ascertain which experts, who have gone through the Deal with a toothcombe, with their expert assistants and huge experience- to trust or not to trust. And those with the qualification and experience in abundance tell me it is a very poor, thin, Deal, with huge gaps- which is just about slightly better than No Deal.

The reaction to/interpretation of Remainers' comments by our merry band of Leavers is laughably well wide of the mark.

I think I wouldn't be wrong to say that, on the whole, we're (i.e Remainers) deeply relieved that we won't be plunged into a no deal nightmare but amused that Leavers think that the rather pathetic deal that keeps us closely bound to the EU (which we have no objection at all to) is somehow a triumph.

The text has been 'obtainable', even if not officially published, since at least Christmas Eve and many experts have been scrutinising it over the Christmas period and commenting on social media. Where, if you care to look you'll find lots of detail.

Lucca

EU fans “squeaking “. “Crowing”. And “parroting “. Apparently....

????.

One of the most embarrassing things (amongst many) is that we seem to be the only country on earth who negotiated to make it more difficult to trade with ourselves.