New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

I am puzzled by the retention of that and most of all by the Partnership.

Not thing it should be think

So from what I understand the U.K. has agreed to comply with EU level playing field rule in order to obtain tariff free trade as well as other benefits like haulier freedom etc.

Does anyone thing that the headbangers will be content with that.

They need to know what their constituents need. I have written to my MP numerous times in the last 20 years (of red and blue tinges

My MP always follows everything up, seeks answers and writes or emails back with a full answer.

He is, however, a staunch Brexiteer.

Of course no-one would have preferred Armageddon. As I have already said on this thread no deal would have increased my son’s risk of tonic clonic seizures by risking his medication supply. I’m sure you are aware that those come with a risk of death or brain damage & that messing with medication increases the risk of SUDEP.

So of course I am relieved it didn’t go to no deal.

We are discussing it lemongrove, and you appear to be moaning about people moaning as you describe it.

I think it was Theresa May who said that no deal was better than a bad deal.

She was wrong. We seem to have a bad deal, indeed a very bad deal, but it is still better than no deal.

Damage limitation, but better than the ultimate damage of no-deal.

www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/the-no-deal-is-better-than-a-bad-deal-fallacy

Some studies estimate the increase in UK food prices alone could be as much as eight per cent, in addition to those already created by the devaluation of the pound following the referendum.

Yet the impacts are not just financial or trade-related. A report from the UK House of Commons' cross-party foreign affairs committee highlights the difficulties that UK citizens in other EU countries, and EU citizens in the UK, would face on issues such as residence rights, access to healthcare, employment rights, cross-border civil law disputes and pensions if we exit with no arrangements in place. It would also take our universities out of European research programmes, our police out of cross-border crime-fighting systems and our airlines out of EU skies.

Eurosceptics argue that the UK would be able to compensate for the economic shock of leaving the EU without a deal, by concluding FTAs with other countries. The sequencing makes this a complete fallacy. We may be able to start discussions, but our counterparts will want to know exactly what our future relationship with the EU is going to be before they can negotiate meaningfully.

In particular, they will want to know whether Britain hopes to retain its membership of any aspect of the single market and what customs arrangements are in place with the EU before they can develop their own position. The nature of our deal with the EU will materially change the calculations for any third country considering signing a bilateral deal with the UK. This is likely to take years.

As said, totally irrelevant MawBe- as the person was clearly identified, I felt it was perfectly appropriate. However if it did cause offense to Urmstongran- I am happy to apologise.

lemongrove Of course no-one would have preferred "Armageddon" - that would mean preferring to have the country go down the drain! There are good parts of this deal, and it is definitely better than having no deal at all with our nearest neighbours anbiggest market.

However, there are some people who will definitely be left out in the cold to pay for it (quite a lot of people, actually, and whole industries or areas of the country could be affected, making pockets of dereliction) Forgetting the cost in the euphoria of completing the negotiation would be to ignore them.

biba70

clearly identified in the quote.

Biba from your decades in the U.K. you will have become familiar with the convention in writing (and indeed tge common courtesy ) of referring to a person as he/she/they only after referring to them by name first.
You had not referred to Urmstongran by name therefore it was bad manners to wade in with she.

It is not too early at all for experts in so many fields to analyse this deal and see it what it is. Better than No Deal- but only just. All the evidence is there, for all to see, all who are prepared to open their eyes.

1 in 14 are employed in the Financial sector- how many in fishing?

I expect most posters are happy with the deal, or reasonably so anyway.
I realise that some are unhappy it’s worked out well and would have preferred the Armageddon that they were predicting all this year.Now all they can do is to moan about Scottish seed potatoes and the Erasmus programme.?

Sparkling

Sticking my neck out, it’s too soon to be critical, I for one am very pleased we have a deal, it will take time to find out all the detail, already tge stock market is going up and business more hopeful.
White wave, I find your condemnation of others views rude and juvenile, to comment on someone lack of intelligence says more about you, others can have a valid opinion even if it differs from your views, of which I certainly do not share. That’s democracy. It’s good manners to respect others viewpoint.

But I didn’t!! Did you actually read what I said?

I am beginning to think that people are much more prepared to bicker than to discuss the issue.

Mamie

David0205 If you read my post of 1703, you will see that the vast majority are not cancelling our accounts. We have lost Barclaycard after 50 years but the UK bank account is fine.

Many thousands have lost accounts, Lloyds alone over 13000, depending on the country you are resident others are saying wait and see, at present our standards are the same, if we diverge accounts will close

Sticking my neck out, it’s too soon to be critical, I for one am very pleased we have a deal, it will take time to find out all the detail, already tge stock market is going up and business more hopeful.
White wave, I find your condemnation of others views rude and juvenile, to comment on someone lack of intelligence says more about you, others can have a valid opinion even if it differs from your views, of which I certainly do not share. That’s democracy. It’s good manners to respect others viewpoint.

Why would you leave politicians to it? They need to know what their constituents need. I have written to my MP numerous times in the last 20 years (of red and blue tinges -
I live in a swing seat) & at times they have been very helpful. At other times cc’ing them is plenty. I’ve also submitted evidence to cross Party parliamentary committees, especially around human rights and learning disability. Not something that should be ignored & left to politicians. How would they know what was going on?

My grandmother worked with her MP to get the law changed regarding a certain aspect of merchant navy ships. Her son was lost at sea & she didn’t want other families to go through the same.

Lots of reasons to engage with politicians.

Leave it to the politicians to argue over every detail ( that’s what they’re paid for ) & just get on with your life ( what’s left of it )

You mean the politicians that the people vote for? The ones you hope that people research their stances prior to voting?

I didn’t realise so many voted then washed their hands of the process. Governments job is to govern for us. Our job is to tell them what we want. Not just let them do whatever they want.

Remind me, what qualifications does one need to have to stand in an election? What makes those people so extra clever?

MawBe

^sorry, this is totally by the by- but she had plenty of time and opportunities to get back to UK^

So rude to refer to another member in this way
“Who’s she? The cat’s mother?”

Oh! for one glorious moment I thought you had commented on the deal.

clearly identified in the quote.

sorry, this is totally by the by- but she had plenty of time and opportunities to get back to UK

So rude to refer to another member in this way
“Who’s she? The cat’s mother?”

Pantglas2

biba70

Indeed- you do realise that some remainers have also achieved the same btw.

Of course I do Biba - it’s only the cheery disposition that’s missing with them - when did you read Urmstongran complaining ad nauseum when stuff doesn’t go her way.?

Especially when she was stuck in Spain through COVID! Fair cheered everyone up daily on the Good Morning thread!

sorry, this is totally by the by- but she had plenty of time and opportunities to get back to UK.

Kandinsky

I think it’s very sad that some remainers will spend the rest of their lives angry & bitter over leaving the EU.
What a waste of energy.
Leave it to the politicians to argue over every detail ( that’s what they’re paid for ) & just get on with your life ( what’s left of it )
I doubt Michel Barnier worry’s this much about Brexit as some of you lot.

Good advice.. Doubt it will be taken.
I shall certainly get on with my life anyway ?

MawBe

@ WW not at the moment thank,you.

Fair enough. I can live in hope.

Are there any thoughts about The Partnership Council?

I would be surprised if leavers find such an entity acceptable, particularly because the U.K. parliament will have no power over the decision making process.

Isn’t that a lack of sovereignty?

@ WW not at the moment thank,you.