New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

Welshwife

I tried that WW but the print was then too blurred.

I’ll try something else.

Urmstongran

Eurosceptics have long insisted that any Brexit deal must pass "the Bill Cash test" before they can back it – and with good reason....
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What, like this really bit if useful information??

In early December last year the country was in paralysis. Now
@BorisJohnson
has got #Brexit done, as promised in the General Election. This agreement reaffirms the #sovereignty of the United Kingdom.

Cash.

I tried that WW but the print was then too blurred.

Eurosceptics have long insisted that any Brexit deal must pass "the Bill Cash test" before they can back it – and with good reason....
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ah MayBee - you might have put your finger on it, right there ;)

If you tap on the print it enlarges, and can be read.

I think they’re still free from EU tax evasion scrutiny which was important to them.

My question however, is about the ERG - how and why did they suddenly roll over and say oh OK, this Bad Deal is better than No Deal- which is what they have been fighting for all along and were adamant, 100%, they would never accept any Deal that would not give totaly independence and freedom from EU regs? Why?

I could not properly read the piece WW but assume it is from one of the companies no longer selling to U.K. or from U.K. to the EU. I have seen a number of people reporting that companies they have used for a long time are no longer willing to send items due to the regulations the U.K. govt now requires them to comply with.
I think Marks are no longer sending to EU and I noticed towards the end of last year that I could not order anything from Next to be sent to a grand daughter - in the U.K. and on the U.K. site - to do with address on my bank card!

HMG have apparently lost their marbles

The big question here is, why has the ERG rolled over and accepted this Deal. The sort of Deal they always said they would never ever accepted, not in a month of Sundays with Blue Moons- NEVER.

WHY ?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/30/boris-johnson-brexit-vote-tories-bad-deal

It seems there is only one possible answer, is that was the only way to avoid the EU Tax Directive that would have attacked their own personal wealth and tax evasion.

I thought as much.

Callistemon

^What on earth are you on about?^
This:
And I suppose I should have known that you would nit pick. It was perfectly obvious what he was referring to.

Carry on as you were.
There is nothing we can do.

I still don't have a clue as to what's going through your mind.

Happy New Year?

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What on earth are you on about?
This:
And I suppose I should have known that you would nit pick. It was perfectly obvious what he was referring to.

Carry on as you were.
There is nothing we can do.

Smileless2012

I don't know anyone "who threatens to aggressively campaign to overturn the will of the people either LauraNorder thank goodness.

As has often been said here on GN if so many people were against Brexit, why did the Lib Dems do so badly in the last GE when they were campaigning for us to stay.

Maybe because of our voting system. I’m a paid up member of the Lib Dems & have voted Labour at the last 3 general elections. I have no choice - I live in a marginal which does switch between Labour and Tories. We have a very good Labour MP at the moment & I was happy to lend him my vote.

With Lib Dems having been so punished at previous (pre-Brexit) elections and FPTP it is often impossible for their supporters to vote for them. I cannot vote a Lib Dem into my constituency but I can keep a Tory out.

If we had PR I suspect the Lib Dems would gain a far larger percentage of the vote.

MaizieD

Callistemon

and 73% of Brexiters are satisfied with it- what an indictement!

Not satisfied.
73% are not satisfied; biba made that clear.

And I suppose I should have known that you would nit pick. It was perfectly obvious what he was referring to.

No bickering - it was a typo, then corrected.
Not everyone reads every post apparently.

I'm renowned for my nitpickery.

What on earth are you on about?

LOL

Aaah. This little deflection. Was it strategic?

Seem to have lost sight altogether of the difficulties of post Brexit trade for importers and exporters both...

Anyone like to comment?

Anyone like to say that they'll have to learn to live with it, in that truly empathetic Leaver manner?

Callistemon

^and 73% of Brexiters are satisfied with it- what an indictement!^

Not satisfied.
73% are not satisfied; biba made that clear.

And I suppose I should have known that you would nit pick. It was perfectly obvious what he was referring to.

No bickering - it was a typo, then corrected.
Not everyone reads every post apparently.

I'm renowned for my nitpickery.

What on earth are you on about?

Oh not on.

On FGS - Sigh!

and 73% of Brexiters are satisfied with it- what an indictement!

Not satisfied.
73% are not satisfied; biba made that clear.

And I suppose I should have known that you would nit pick. It was perfectly obvious what he was referring to.

No bickering - it was a typo, then corrected.
Not everyone reads every post apparently.

I'm renowned for my nitpickery.

You opened yourself up to it by what you said so vehemently I’m afraid, but I agree probably best left at that.

Oh dear, now some body knows who I mix with, which disqualifies me from having an informed opinion! Actually you don't know anything about me, still less who I mix with and why, anymore than I do you! I don't have to explain myself to you or anyone else, so lets leave it at that?

Jaberwok your comment about everybody you know being pleased as can be to finally free from the bully boys that make up the EU did make me smile. This was what it brought to mind:

``Certainly, my dear, nobody said there were; but as to not meeting with many people in this neighbourhood, I believe there are few neighbourhoods larger. I know we dine with four and twenty families. '' Nothing but concern for Elizabeth could enable Bingley to keep his countenance’.

Surely if you only mix with people who think exactly the same as you do, you are disqualified from having an informed view of the situation?