New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

I was a Remainer but I am with Urmston and Rishi Sunak on this.

Nobody knows what will happen in the future but the deed is done and we need to pull together. There are positives to be found in everything and this constant harping back to how we should have stayed in the EEC does nobody any good.

David0205

“The financial sector has not been included”

Which means that it can continue more or less as before, we should be thankful for that and it’s up to each company in that sector to maintain business and prosper. My view is that Europeans will choose EU companies rather than foreign ones, I have always chosen UK products.
Whatever Brexit brings I will make the best of it, it would be stupid not to embrace the changes that will come and I’m sure most of us will

Why do you think it will be able to continue as before?

No passporting and no recognition of qualifications...

And what changes are we going to find so cuddly? ?

“The financial sector has not been included”

Which means that it can continue more or less as before, we should be thankful for that and it’s up to each company in that sector to maintain business and prosper. My view is that Europeans will choose EU companies rather than foreign ones, I have always chosen UK products.
Whatever Brexit brings I will make the best of it, it would be stupid not to embrace the changes that will come and I’m sure most of us will

Retiredwell, I think Starmer wants to get traditional Labour voters back who voted in favour of Brexit. He has not given the deal his overall backing however and is hedging his bets by saying that full responsibility lies with the Conservatives.

It would seem that the European negotiators have gained very much all they wished to have from the "agreement". They keep all the fishing rights they hold for the next five years, and only then will they have to relinquish a third of it.

The financial services sector is not included in the deal, so that remains at the mercy of new EU legislation any time they wish to bring it in.

In regards to the rest, then it would seem that Britain very much must remain aligned to European legislation or incur tariffs on products and companies that do not comply with such.

Of course, European member states must be very pleased in seeing over the last few days that turning off the "truck tap" at Dover completely shafts Britain and that they can do now any time they wish should we not be good compliment neighbours.

However, the deal keeps Britains main fresh, chilled and frozen food supplies moving for us all, so that is a benefit of at least maintaining some part of the advantages we had as a member state.

However, I do not believe that the Labour Party in the House of Commons this week should support the agreement as that will then mean that they will not be able to criticise the damage that this final leaving of the European Union will inflict in the United Kingdom. Not supporting the Bill will also mean that Johnson has to deal with the rebels in his own party to get the legislation through.

I have just one request . Please could people cease and desist from quoting Richard Littlejohn. His articles as quoted in GN are revolting in their xenophobic, sneering, superior sentiments.
Fine support Brexit if you wish but have some discernment gransnetters, I am sure you are not all like him.

Oh are they mass tweeting again?

The fact they continue to do that despite being picked up on it every time just shows that they know they don’t have to try very hard (or at all).

Brexit - not in my name thanks. I won’t get behind the narrow minded Ukippers and xenophobes who have created this mess, taken away freedoms and replaced them with childish slogans.

Urmstongran

Rushing Sunak today says we ought not to be Remainers or Leavers anymore. We are past that. We have left the EU. He says it’s time now for us all to be ‘Believers in Britain’.

Surely we could agree to give our support this country that we all love and live in? Surely we’d get no satisfaction from seeing the UK fail? There’s no going back so why not make the best of it and have faith that we will ‘prosper mightily’?

When have you ever shown any consideration for why the people who voted to remain are still upset? When? Ever?

It's they do actually care about the values of their country that they can never forget what's happened.

You don't even appear to be able to articulate what prize you've "won".

The rifts haven't gone away.

No, it's not a good deal for anybody except a few very rich people, although better than not having a deal at all. The UK had a better deal four years ago. The Johnson camp might try to spin this as a political victory, but it really isn't. It's quite obvious that Conservative MPs received their WhatsApp instructions because many of them have tweeted the same thing and the Bongo Bozo Band have fallen for it, so it seems.

Urmstongran

Rushing Sunak today says we ought not to be Remainers or Leavers anymore. We are past that. We have left the EU. He says it’s time now for us all to be ‘Believers in Britain’.

Surely we could agree to give our support this country that we all love and live in? Surely we’d get no satisfaction from seeing the UK fail? There’s no going back so why not make the best of it and have faith that we will ‘prosper mightily’?

I’m quite insulted by the fact that you think I don’t love and support my country. Just because I don’t believe in the brainwashing slogans that Johnson comes out with. Prosper mightily my

I support a tolerant, open Britain that makes connections with its neighbours.

Not a flag waving, Billy Britain forever mourning the loss of the empire. I have no interest in that Britain.

Do find Tory MPs telling us it’s time to shut up about Europe rather amusing though. Bloody cheek of it.

It's possible to support a country and disagree with decisions that have been taken. That's democracy.

* predictive text! Rishi of course.

Rushing Sunak today says we ought not to be Remainers or Leavers anymore. We are past that. We have left the EU. He says it’s time now for us all to be ‘Believers in Britain’.

Surely we could agree to give our support this country that we all love and live in? Surely we’d get no satisfaction from seeing the UK fail? There’s no going back so why not make the best of it and have faith that we will ‘prosper mightily’?

The percentage voting up to age 54 was very similar to the percentage voting in the 18-24 age group (both mid sixties)

So I think your disdain for the young is unfair.

That yougov estimate has been repeatedly rejected.

Seems the younger generation’s overwhelming preference for staying in the EU didn’t translate into a result, because a majority of them simply didn’t turn out to vote. Because of the secret ballot, we do not actually know how many did or didn’t. But a YouGov poll (tweeted by Sky data) estimates that only 36% of 18- to 24-year-olds cast their vote in the referendum.

And it gets worse. Turnout is measured as a proportion of “voting eligible” individuals – which means people who are on the electoral register. But available registration data indicates that almost 20% of the youngest age group had not even bothered to register in the first place. Which means voter apathy among young people is even worse than the polling data would have us believe.

Urmstongran

Most 18 - 24y olds didn’t turn out to vote.

Not true.

The turnout for 18-24 year olds was about 65%. Not the low erroneous figure initially reported. There has been a lot written about that.

Most 18 - 24y olds didn’t turn out to vote.

70% of 18-24 year olds voted to stay. No they’re not all one homogenous group, but they are keener on staying than their grandparents. If you need reminding 40% of over 65s voted remain.

So I am fairly confident that in years to come we will have closer relationship with Europe with a less divisive narrative. There will be enough people who (like my children and grandchildren) can retain freedom of movement via parental heritage that their friends will also see the value of that. I’m very positive about the future. Like Rees Mogg I just think good things are a few decades away. I envisage a very different future than him though.

Yes. We’ll move forward. You own it now. Good luck.

The young did not want Brexit

You sure about that Nezumi? You’ve seen clips on tv I’m sure with many young people who voted Leave. I did.

And I know of a fair few myself.
We must just move in different circles is all.
Fair enough, that’s anecdotal.

Doesn’t change the outcome though.
We Are Out

Moving forward now.
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I too am doing my best Nezumi my father is German so am currently trying to negotiate the citizenship issue.

The absolute disdain and lack of understanding of erasmus, I mean who would want to show children different cultures and countries after all. Richard littlejohn is a foul man.

Actually yes GG and Lemon,
A nice glass of Baileys and an hour of Victoria Wood can only add to this feeling of contentment. Yawn and CBA.