New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

Bodach

"Then you don’t know him and obviously don’t know what a thoroughly decent person he is."
You are absolutely correct, MayBee70: I don't know him, and I fully acknowledge that the milk of human kindness may well ooze from every pore of his all-too-often blue-painted (with yellow stars) epidermis. The fact remains that spending day after day in Parliament Square, clad in fancy dress and shouting inanities at outside broadcasters, does not strike me as being the preferred lifestyle of a well-balanced individual. It smacks of a narcissist who relishes being in the spotlight, and who will go to ridiculous lengths to stay there.

Spot on! ??

and 73% of Brexiters are NOT satisfied with it.

83% of the population think Johnson has made a real mess of the Deal- and 73% of Brexiters are satisfied with it- what an indictement!

"I voted for Brexit – but not for this"

Sean O’Grady thought that Leave could lead to a better deal for Britain. But, he writes, what we’ve ended up with instead is the worst of all worlds

www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/voices/brexit-vote-leave-trade-deal-b1780862.html

Had a WhatsApp from Italian friend (very much a conservative type ) saying she still can’t understand why we are leaving, why we want to isolate ourselves and quoting Manzoni something along the lines of it being future generations who will pay the price.

Mamie

I think the point is that now the mandate of the referendum has been discharged and what happens next does not have to reflect the wishes of the Brexit voters. The future is in different hands.
I do not think that there will be any swift return to full membership, but economic and security imperatives will gradually move the UK back towards the single market and customs union and closer co-operation in defence, intelligence etc.

The EU probably would not consider full membership even if we asked, what should not be ruled out is EEA membership, a sort of half way house that would simplify the relationship.
That depends on wether Brexit is seen as a success in 4 yrs time, the other uncertainty is wether the Labour Party can get its act together.

Sunlit uplands www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/01/residents-furious-brexit-lorry-park-kent-village

Sky News reporter, speaking from the harbour at Brixham in Devon: "Pretty much all the fishermen I have spoken to today are disappointed."

You would think that at the very least the Tories knew what they voted for last Wednesday.

Today Branden Lewes announced that there is no Irish Sea border.

Doh!!

The few people I know who voted leave are now all thoroughly ashamed of themselves for having been so foolish. In my experience the gloating leavers on Gransnet are not typical.

Mamie

I think the point is that now the mandate of the referendum has been discharged and what happens next does not have to reflect the wishes of the Brexit voters. The future is in different hands.
I do not think that there will be any swift return to full membership, but economic and security imperatives will gradually move the UK back towards the single market and customs union and closer co-operation in defence, intelligence etc.

Agree

I think the point is that now the mandate of the referendum has been discharged and what happens next does not have to reflect the wishes of the Brexit voters. The future is in different hands.
I do not think that there will be any swift return to full membership, but economic and security imperatives will gradually move the UK back towards the single market and customs union and closer co-operation in defence, intelligence etc.

Well, it's done and we have to live with it, but none of my Remain voting friends, if the topic comes up, have a good word to say about it They think it's the stupidist thing the UK has ever done in our lifetime.

We're just waiting until it bites...

I thought that people had confused the time due to fireworks being let off at 11pm

Never even thought it was about leaving the EU

I don't believe that many people are as concerned with it. It's only on GN that I see the few Remainers still discussing it

On my FB I have quite a few friends who were horrified at the referendum result and over the last 3 or 4 years have mentioned how disappointed they are. How they've applied for Irish passports etc etc. Not in my name and they'll always be European.

But now it's gone quiet. I assume they've given up talking about it.

We will adapt.

The younger generation will cope.

Jaberwok

No one is gloating on here. Just quiet satisfaction with a job finally achieved.

Maybe you need to do a reread of the last few pages.

Firecracker123

My comments have hit the mark with some it seems with them still harping on about Nigel Farage again, ? just amusing myself after four and a half years of Remainers trying to stop Brexit.

Interesting how you choose to amuse yourself by being nasty to other posters.

Exactly Jaberwok.

No one is gloating on here. Just quiet satisfaction with a job finally achieved.

The gloating brexiters remind me of the famous headline "Fog in the Channel - Continent Cut Off"

International Driving Permits will not be necessary, by agreement with the 27 countries. That’s £5.50 each saved in this household......?

Unless anyone has super powers and is able to be inside every home how can one possibly know who celebrated what Not everyone let's off a firework, do they ?

Fireworks at 11.00pm where we are.

To those who think Brexit is done - far from it. The treaty is very thin and many areas are not covered, there will be endless negotiations and sub treaties when they find out that the red tape is hampering U.K. businesses to the extent they are loosing customers. Small concessions will be renegotiated along the line , things like security and scientific cooperation, recognition of qualifications. The nose cut off to spite face losses. Concessions will be made and brushed under the carpet. Rubber stamping and cut n pasting of EU laws which we have no part in making, all seems a dogs breakfast.

Well 11pm passed unnoticed by anyone in my locality. No great enthusiasm, no gullibility that we are in for a fantastic future.

Something positive (I was very reassured by the politicians from across the divide coming together to sort out Westminster’s mess). That did cheer me up.

I’ve followed Irish border for a while - will miss his humour. www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/the-irish-border-signs-off-twitter-it-feels-like-i-won-the-battle-and-lost-the-war-1.4156754