New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

"Then you don’t know him and obviously don’t know what a thoroughly decent person he is."
You are absolutely correct, MayBee70: I don't know him, and I fully acknowledge that the milk of human kindness may well ooze from every pore of his all-too-often blue-painted (with yellow stars) epidermis. The fact remains that spending day after day in Parliament Square, clad in fancy dress and shouting inanities at outside broadcasters, does not strike me as being the preferred lifestyle of a well-balanced individual. It smacks of a narcissist who relishes being in the spotlight, and who will go to ridiculous lengths to stay there.

Bodach

Urmstongran

We certainly won’t miss 51 y old Steven Bray from Wales.

Bray was the unsuccessful Liberal Democrat candidate for the Cynon Valley constituency in the 2019 United Kingdom general election.

I wonder what he’s doing these days? Any ideas?

I rather suspect all his campaigning and posturing and shouting and getting on the TV has never really been about Brexit - it's all about HIM.

Then you don’t know him and obviously don’t know what a thoroughly decent person he is. Not someone whose political beliefs change with the wind depending on which one will further their own career (Boris Johnson). Or deprive other people of things that they will still be able to access themselves (eg Stanley Johnson).

You have cursed us all now grannygravy

Happy New Year, the one thing that is guaranteed is the sun will rise tomorrow.

Who knows? I don’t know enough yet.
Any good things that may happen will be hidden under a tsunami of things we’re not happy about.
The only thing that will be the same is that when things go wrong it will be the fault of the EU, the government and the fault of people who voted for Brexit’.
I just hope none of the complainers are folk who didn’t bother to vote.

Bray, hmmm, aptly named.

Urmstongran

We certainly won’t miss 51 y old Steven Bray from Wales.

Bray was the unsuccessful Liberal Democrat candidate for the Cynon Valley constituency in the 2019 United Kingdom general election.

I wonder what he’s doing these days? Any ideas?

I rather suspect all his campaigning and posturing and shouting and getting on the TV has never really been about Brexit - it's all about HIM.

At least Gibraltar, whose population voted 98% Remain, is to keep Freedom of Movement.

Lucretzia

Yes, he has been anti EU ish in the past

But he's changed his mind many times

Of course he was a journalist so probably just wrote articles to suit the readership

Boris Johnson first became associated with Euroscepticism in the early 1990s, when he wrote a string of articles for the Telegraph lampooning apparently over-zealous EU regulations.

He did claim to be quite fond of Brussels at a later date.

He could have swung either way

When journalistic inspiration was thin on the ground, he wrote articles about so-called "EU regulations" which in fact he had invented himself so that he could write about them. Some of those fake rules are still believed by the gullible. So he was already influencing the Brexit vote long before it was even a twinkle in Nigel's eye.

Urmstongran

^He’s still campaigning and will continue to do so^

Who pays him? Nice work if you can get it at his age. Bit like semi-retirement!

Crowdfunding I expect by a certain faction ...

And so what if he is, Ug? It's really none of your business how people wish to spend their money, or how and what people want to campaign about.

I don't drink alcohol so I eu by be partaking.

It's very sad to hear of people having to jump through hoops for their businesses. It will be tricky. Pretty sure we'll adapt. Especially the young generation.

So many people have lost their jobs due to this virus as well.

Difficult times but I'm not going to waste the rest of my life fretting over a vote to leave the EU

Life is too short at the best of times

He’s still campaigning and will continue to do so

Who pays him? Nice work if you can get it at his age. Bit like semi-retirement!

Crowdfunding I expect by a certain faction ...

Drink a toast with chateau ( shit-eau?) brexit, a bitter aftertaste and fishy aroma, goes well with chlorinated chicken.

He’s still campaigning and will continue to do so.

We certainly won’t miss 51 y old Steven Bray from Wales.

Bray was the unsuccessful Liberal Democrat candidate for the Cynon Valley constituency in the 2019 United Kingdom general election.

I wonder what he’s doing these days? Any ideas?

Nasty post there Kamiso about me having a tattoo.
Why so mean?
My post was quite reasonable and I’ve been nothing but polite and tolerant on this thread.
Take note of it perhaps seamstress!

There is nothing at all under under the heading.

Room 101

Callistemon

What Shipman said in the link did seem a factual account of Boris's thought processes, as far as anyone knows, but where is the article now ?

Behind a paywall I should imagine

Yes, he has been anti EU ish in the past

Brussels correspondent for a newspaper was something of a backwater. Johnson made it all up to amuse himself in what he considered to be a boring post.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-are-we-so-surprised-boris-johnson-lied-when-he-s-been-sacked-lying-twice-a7105976.html

What Shipman said in the link did seem a factual account of Boris's thought processes, as far as anyone knows, but where is the article now ?

He could have swung either way

But, had he backed remain then he would probably not now be PM - David Cameron might still be the PM.

MaizieD

^The newspaper's political editor, Tim Shipman, explained what it reveals.^

I'd be wary of Shipman's judgement. He's pretty far right and very pro brexit.

Sorry, I should clarify. The Times, being a Murdoch paper, has always been pro brexit

Yes, he has been anti EU ish in the past

But he's changed his mind many times

Of course he was a journalist so probably just wrote articles to suit the readership

Boris Johnson first became associated with Euroscepticism in the early 1990s, when he wrote a string of articles for the Telegraph lampooning apparently over-zealous EU regulations.

He did claim to be quite fond of Brussels at a later date.

He could have swung either way

The newspaper's political editor, Tim Shipman, explained what it reveals.

I'd be wary of Shipman's judgement. He's pretty far right and very pro brexit.

Casdon

I thought he’d always been pro-Brexit?

Not at all. There's quite an archive of him making pro-EU statements, both verbally and in writing.

He famously wrote two pieces for his newspaper before the referendum campaign, one pro EU and one anti EU before deciding which to back, Remain or Leave. It could have gone either way, but it is commonly supposed that he saw backing Leave as better for his political career.

The fact that the rest of the family was pro Remain is really quite telling. But, by all accounts they're a pretty dysfunctional family in many ways. Stanley Johnson, according to his biography, was as unpleasant and amoral as his son.