New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

Did anyone watch the programme about celebrities last night. It was interesting in that it explained how celebrities use Twitter and how it enabled Trump to reinvent himself as a great businessman and his people then forgot his bankruptcies. It also explained where Kim Kardashian sprung from: something that I’ve always wondered about. I really struggle with the fact that such people become so influential.

Yes I think I have had this conversation before about how I might have disagreed on a number of things with the likes of Ken Clarke, Major etc but I understood them, I understood their policies, their morality. I dont understand the current conservative party at all, I think they have very little to do with conservatism.

Not sure who Simon Harris is

I was reading an article yesterday and it mentioned Twitter and how people seem to believe it reflects the real world.

It doesn't.

Simon Harris is one of the many who regrets what he did-

"YES I voted Leave
YES it was a mistake
YES I fell for slogans
YES I thought I was sticking it to the establishment
YES I am entitled to regret it
YES you can call me a tw*t if it makes you feel better
YES I can still call out people who are still convinced it’s a good idea"

twitter.com/search?q=%23RemainerNow&src=hashtag_click

MaizieD

What's with all this 'leaving day' nonsense? We 'left' a year ago.

Now we have a 'deal' that ties us to EU rules for at least the next 5 years. This has been mentioned before and the deafening silence from Leavers on this point is almost palpable. And there was me thinking that being tied to the EU in any way was complete anathema to them. How weird it's been to go through all this angst and upheaval to end up still tied to the EU but with no influence and no say..

Enjoy your celebrations you silly people. Congratulations on ruining people's lives and ambitions and making the UK poorer.

And special congratulations on destroying Parliamentary democracy.

Though I realise that you never had any interest in Parliamentary democracy at all and are perfectly happy to have destroyed that along with everything else.

So true

I have been surprised by how easily power is being placed in the hands of the executive.

A lot of most vocal opponents have actually been (ex) Tory MPs - who see the Tory Party as the upholder of traditions etc.

It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Even my Brexit voting life long Tory voting father seems rather appalled.

It’ll be interesting to see what else The Star Chamber, the true rulers of this country, have planned for us over the next few years.

Yes just more teams.

Firecracker123

Perhaps not The Deluded rather The Sore Loosers ? or The Sour Grapers, or They Think They Know It Alls But Have Got Every Referendum and Election Wrong. ?

This is helpful how?

Perhaps not The Deluded rather The Sore Loosers ? or The Sour Grapers, or They Think They Know It Alls But Have Got Every Referendum and Election Wrong. ?

MaizieD Of course.....only intellectuals like yourself understand anything about politics (not) ......go on have a glass
Of something sparkly??

Never mind predictions about a campaign for us to apply to rejoin the EU in years to come, my prediction is that there will be other EU countries campaigning to leave. Maybe not straight away as they might want to see if we do indeed ‘proper mightily’ (love that phrase!) but I would put money on us not being the only ones heading for the exit.

What's with all this 'leaving day' nonsense? We 'left' a year ago.

Now we have a 'deal' that ties us to EU rules for at least the next 5 years. This has been mentioned before and the deafening silence from Leavers on this point is almost palpable. And there was me thinking that being tied to the EU in any way was complete anathema to them. How weird it's been to go through all this angst and upheaval to end up still tied to the EU but with no influence and no say..

Enjoy your celebrations you silly people. Congratulations on ruining people's lives and ambitions and making the UK poorer.

And special congratulations on destroying Parliamentary democracy.

Though I realise that you never had any interest in Parliamentary democracy at all and are perfectly happy to have destroyed that along with everything else.

petra

Happy leaving day to all brexiteers ??????????

If we had not left we would be in this situation.
www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-planning-disaster-germany-and-europe-could-fall-short-on-vaccine-supplies-a-3db4702d-ae23-4e85-85b7-20145a898abd

Thank you Petra ? the champagne will be out tonight, for a Happy New Year and for a new start in all ways.??

Instead of calling themselves The Rejoiners perhaps The Deluded would be more apt?

Whitewavemark2

There are many more rejoiners after this referendum. than there were leavers after the 73 referendum. So the momentum is already there, and will gather rapid pace once the result of leaving is clear for all to see.

I give it 5 years.

The above isn’t realism though ....more like crazy crystal ball gazing.?

I'm with Urmstongran and Petra
Yes Happy Leaving Day Brexiteers
????????????????????????????

Its been a long time coming but we finally did it.

Happy New Year ???

It’s not gloom at all. Just realism.

BTW I think everywhere will have problems sourcing enough vaccine (at the rate they want it) - they were discussing exactly that in relation to the U.K. on the bbc last night.

Morning petra happy to have you join the joyful band on here!
Take a recommend.
?

Careful how you go though. There’s a lot of gloom on here still.

Happy new year to all who are Rejoiners.
Good luck with that.
Who will lead you? Serious question there.

Clue: it won’t be Starmer.

Happy leaving day to all brexiteers ??????????

If we had not left we would be in this situation.
www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-planning-disaster-germany-and-europe-could-fall-short-on-vaccine-supplies-a-3db4702d-ae23-4e85-85b7-20145a898abd

We won’t be back in the EU in 5 years - we’re saddled with this incompetent bunch for most of that for starters. The EU certainly won’t be gone.

I reckon 10 years & we’ll be looking to EEA. Although depends who is in power & what happens to Scotland and Ireland.

My main concern is that to shore up public opinion against the consequences of Brexit the government will be dialling up the flag waving & xenophobia. They know it works - look how many people still support them despite the numbers of lives their incompetence and cronyism has already caused. The know that if you shout about how Great Britain is and how dreadful Europe is it doesn’t matter what else you do.

I give the EU five years.

There are many more rejoiners after this referendum. than there were leavers after the 73 referendum. So the momentum is already there, and will gather rapid pace once the result of leaving is clear for all to see.

I give it 5 years.

Urmstongran et al.

We have had many years listening to Farage and his cronies campaigning to leave the EU. Their actions (those that were MEPs) helped to bring the UK into disrepute. You may not like it but there will be many more campaigning to rejoin the EU. Perhaps instead of calling us Remoaners you could call us Rejoiners?

Happy New Year to everyone.