Vote is Yea to impeach Donald Trump

Whitewavemark2

Can Trump pardon people or himself for future convictions?

I don't know if he can Whitewave but there are drawbacks to accepting a pardon.

To accept a pardon you are basically saying you are guilty. Apparently this means the forces of law and order can then treat you as if you have a record. I don't know enough about American law to say all that this means but one area that was quoted is that you and your property can then be searched without notice. As I say, my knowledge is incredibly thin on this but I was watching a lawyer who was acting for other people who had been offered a pardon explain why it might not be a good idea for Trump to do this.

The extraordinary thing that I find so difficult to explain or understand is that Trump voters actually believe that he won the election, and still do.

But I guess that after 4-5 years of lies this cognitive dissonance is pretty much grounded. I just can’t help constantly comparing it to our lying leader and Brexit.

And maybe USA might want to look at their usual plan of making the 'changeover' of presidents take so long- it seems an awfully long time from 'vote-in' to inauguration- why cant they do it within a shorter space of time? Maybe they should make it less in future so not as much time for all the extra nonsense.?

A commentator being interviewed on SKY news said everyone ought to bear in mind that 10 million more people voted for Trump this time around. Many ordinary Americans like his MAGA policies, the building of the wall, his calling out of ‘the China virus’.

Biden will have his work cut out as 47% of America didn’t vote for him.

He has really disgraced himself hasn't he? If he had accepted losing with good grace then he could have kept his dignity at least.? Its the same for Boris when he ends up having to U- turn on most of his policies, (or 'idiot ideas' as i like to call them....)?I think that having covid has really affected their way of thinking..

Can Trump pardon people or himself for future convictions?

Trump is an evil egocentric con man
He has had his own way far to often through out his life. His businesses have failed but he can not conceive losing so rewrites the story with his continuous lying boasting and sueing to get his way.
Good riddance!

There were a couple of good interviews on "Today" this morning. One commented (I paraphrase) that the death of local news leads to splits of people getting their news only from groups who tell them more of what they believe.

One of the issues mainland America has is that it really has no experience in combating domestic terrorism. Reports from a family member suggest that the FBI, Homeland Security and other law enforcement systems have their work cut out in pursuing the mob members and getting them off the street. They certainly have their hands full with the preparation for the possibility of multiple attacks on state and federal sites between now and after the inauguration on the 20th.

I suppose there is nothing to stop the 14th Amendment being invoked regardless of the impeachment outcome.

Does anyone know?

If they can get Trump convicted and that is a big if I think they can then go for ensuring that Trump is never allowed to run for president again. Then perhaps his star will fall.

I don’t envy Biden he has a massive challenge on his hands.

The vote to impeach is positive but look at the numbers of Republican lawmakers who voted against. The USA is divided with forces of evil like nazi’s, white supremacists, anarchists and home grown terrorists having been given legitimacy by this awful president.
Biden and Harris have to prioritise the country’s general needs. Urmstongran, they can only unify if Trump’s followers support their country over their individual (dangerous) belief systems. Without seeking to minimise the extent of the US problem, it’s rather like Momentum criticising Starmer for divisions in the L P.

Interestingly Biden, whilst apparently supporting the impeachment is placing the countries issues above the impeachment in importance.

He may well be correct in his instincts as I suspect that the problems in the USA are what gave them Trump in the first place.

Sort out these major issues (no easy task) and you will almost certainly get rid of the Trumps in this world.

I heard Trump is going to set up his own radio station. 70 million voters will be happy. If the impeachment doesn’t succeed he will try for re-election in 4 years. That said, many in the GOP want to disassociate themselves and promote younger candidates for the next race to the White House.

America is a sorely divided country. This anger isn’t going to dissipate any time soon.

Will Biden & Harris succeed in bringing unity? We shall have to see.

What kept them? All too little,too late

Just watching CNN.

This is by no means over. Trump is still supported by the vast majority of the Republican voter in the USA. They support his actions on the 6th. He still has control over the Republican Party.

There are reports by such agents as the FBI that there are many, many plans to continue with this insurgence. This week will be high risk. There is no doubt that there are some police who are sympathetic.

This will almost certainly run for months or years. How Trump is going to continue without the easy means of communication is interesting.
Trump is also faced with real difficulties over his private business life. Many organisations including banks and other businesses are withdrawing cooperation, although a Dubai developer is still supporting Trump and intends to continue working with Trump.

Brilliant!

Grandmabatty

It's good news. As far as I know,it debars him from standing for president again in four years which he had threatened to do. He's an odious individual.

Sadly, this isn't an automatic outcome even if successful. Congress has authority to add in a clause about disqualification but they don't actually have to do this. It's not a requirement.

Brilliant news.

I was so glad to hear this. I know it's bad of me but I wanted to see him punished for his really evil behaviour. If the impeachment goes ahead he'll lose a lot of benefits such as a presidential pension, paid staff and travel etc. Maybe after all his debts are called in he'll have a penurious old age in which to consider his life and how he chose to lead it.

Well - that is the correct decision I am sure; but I do fear for the safety of so many of those involved in making this happen - the US has become lawless under the Trump regime and I do not think he will go quietly. Whatever the senate decides he is likely to be rousing his "troops" behind the scenes for a long time to come.

An evil and dangerous man.

sadly

I have just said almost exactly that to my family in the US MayBee. If there were a plague of frogs tomorrow I am not sure I would be surprised. It is a worry what Trump will do to reciprocate. I can't, sadly, believe it will be anything good or statesmanlike, sadly.

It is good news but disappointing that so many, over 150 I think, voted against it.

It's good news. As far as I know,it debars him from standing for president again in four years which he had threatened to do. He's an odious individual.

We live in strange times, don’t we. Did anyone see those Republicans on the news (Sky News I think) still defending him.