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The Good that Men do - Donald Trump?

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BigBertha1 Thu 14-Jan-21 12:40:23

I dont usually join in the politics on here but I was just wondering over breakfast with DH today did DT do any good during his term of office- anything at all??

Urmstongran Thu 14-Jan-21 17:15:07

I know. Sleeping on the hard floor too as Pelosi walks past on the way to her bed.

It’s all about the optics. ‘Ooh we’re so scared’. Good politicking though don’t blame them.

Artaylar Thu 14-Jan-21 17:13:07

That brought a wry smile to my face barmeyoldbat

Barmeyoldbat Thu 14-Jan-21 17:10:52

Brought all the troops home from war zones and they are now on standby for a war zone at home.

varian Thu 14-Jan-21 16:30:57

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/20/alex-salmond-donald-trump-scotland

varian Thu 14-Jan-21 16:30:33

Trump promised a vast investment and hundreds of jobs. The former Scotland first minister Alex Salmond cosied up to Trump over his environmentally disastrous golf resort before, rather late in the day, he changed his tune.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 14-Jan-21 16:26:32

SNP isn’t squeaky clean!

paddyanne Thu 14-Jan-21 16:16:30

Is that the same as Bojo creating extra LORDS ,seems there have been 360 EXTRA tory lords in tha past ten years,its just a way of pushing through tory policy ...take their money and give them a gong in return .Such HIGH standards the tories have ...lol

Callistemon Thu 14-Jan-21 16:15:59

The evil that men do lives after them
The good is oft interred with their bones

I'm thinking ......
There must be something

Urmstongran Thu 14-Jan-21 15:25:50

Actually he’s left quite a lasting legacy (not good if you vote Democrat).

He's appointed 53 judges on the 13 US circuit courts. To put this into perspective, former President Barack Obama appointed 55 circuit judges in his 8 years in the White House.

The courts get the final say in US politics, setting precedents that can shape the country for years to come.

Even though Trump was not reelected in 2020, his presidency will continue to have an influence on the direction of the US because of the sheer number of conservative federal judges he's installed.

The GOP will be happy for years to come.

I’m not sure when Biden can appoint one?

M0nica Thu 14-Jan-21 15:18:20

What did anything Trump did contribute to the drop in coal consumption? Correlation is not causation.

A lot of the reason coal consumption fell was because of a rapid increase in the production of shale gas with the pollution that can cause. It was one polluting fuel replaced with another. Trump also authorised drilling and production of hdrocarbons and the building of pipelines in pristine, supposedly, protected wildernesses

Also he moved the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and proposed a peace plan that substituted economic development for immediate Palestinian statehood.

Try this for size - a quote from the Washington Post: Trump and Kushner have managed to bury the two-state solution and have thrown us toward a one-state “solution” where Israel is de facto sovereign over the area between the Jordan Valley and the Mediterranean, with millions of Palestinians living without civil or political rights equal to their Israeli counterparts, unable to travel outside their assigned enclaves, import or export commodities or do much about their lives without a permit from Israeli authorities. This situation has a name, regardless of whom one blames for it: apartheid.

That is why the Trump peace plan was just another example of Trumpian bullying and, rightly, has come to nothing.

BlueBelle Thu 14-Jan-21 15:12:11

Well he may be out but unfortunately I don’t think it will be a smooth takeover I pray there is no more blood spilt
If he’s not mad I m not sure how you can possibly explain his behaviour, which is even more worrying if you consider him sane

Namsnanny Thu 14-Jan-21 15:10:42

Urmstongran

Aw shucks Namsnanny you sure got me blushing right there.
(American accent)
?

Credit where credit due.

We're all to keen to sacrifice our patience on the alter of principle.
Its nice to see both operating together.

Urmstongran Thu 14-Jan-21 15:06:42

And drugs. Not the illegal stuff. The good ones. For the American people. He kept telling them that Big Pharma was ripping them off. He had a fight there on his hands ...

In 2016, the Food and Drug Administration approved 73 new generic medications. That figure rose year by year through the Trump administration, reaching 107 in 2019.

That same year, Congress passed new legislation that will bring more generics to market even faster in the future. The Creates Act will allow generic drug makers to sue drug developers that withhold information needed to manufacture generics in a timely way once patent protection expires.

Generics = less expensive to buy.
Like buying ibuprofen instead of Neurofen.

So, in my opinion, nope. He wasn’t evil. Or bad.
Stupid yes. He made some bigly mistakes. But he did do some good things.

A Marmite character indeed.

Anyway, the world has turned.
He’s out.
Biden’s in.

BlueBelle Thu 14-Jan-21 14:57:58

The man is delusional, narcissistic and probably mentally ill The question always is does mental illness excuse the person or make them a criminal
I think he’s a criminal in many different ways, he is a liar, cheat has attributed to murder and he has not only harmed America but has destabilised the world
No he did nothing good unless it benefitted himself his family or his cronies
Strange question bigbertha what do you think ?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Jan-21 14:57:12

The demography of Republican supporter is shrinking rapidly.

That is one of the issues with the white supremacists the BAME population will soon no longer be a minority and it exercises the Republicans a great deal.

Urmstongran Thu 14-Jan-21 14:57:03

Aw shucks Namsnanny you sure got me blushing right there.
(American accent)
?

CSizzle Thu 14-Jan-21 14:56:53

Just to lower the tone; I wonder if he knows that in England trump means fart.

Urmstongran Thu 14-Jan-21 14:55:15

And let’s remember Chinah. No, not the virus although why the WHO can’t access those laboratories is a big concern, isn’t it? Why go to the wet markets when they opened again in Wuhan so soon after anyway?

No, 5G. Huwaiwe (? sp). 5G is a rare case in which Trump’s abrasive methods yielded results that might not have been achieved by a more emollient administration. Score one for him, and it’s an important one.

Namsnanny Thu 14-Jan-21 14:54:34

your = you are

Namsnanny Thu 14-Jan-21 14:53:53

Urmstongran

... fools jump in where angels fear to tread.
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I never learn do I?

Your a credit to your choices.
I always find you engaging.
Keep it up Urmstonegran grin

GrannyGravy13 Thu 14-Jan-21 14:51:41

Isn’t he only the 2nd American President not to have been involved in a war somewhere in the world?

Urmstongran Thu 14-Jan-21 14:50:50

... fools jump in where angels fear to tread.
?
I never learn do I?

Urmstongran Thu 14-Jan-21 14:49:31

Back again ...

U.S. coal consumption declined in every year of his presidency. In 2019, the U.S. burned 586 million tons of coal—a reduction of almost 50 percent from the 2007 peak, and a drop of almost 15 percent over 2018.

Also he moved the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and proposed a peace plan that substituted economic development for immediate Palestinian statehood.

Traditional experts feared that his policies would ignite regional conflict. Instead, if anything, the region has calmed.
First the United Arab Emirates, then Bahrain and Sudan, and most recently Morocco have opened diplomatic relations with Israel. It’s now possible to fly direct from Tel Aviv to Dubai, overflying Saudi Arabia!

Namsnanny Thu 14-Jan-21 14:48:31

M0nica

No.

Really M0nica?
Who is going to brave the retribution to answer?

Not that I can anyway, I loath what the man stands for, and dont read much (so dont know much) about him by way of a personal protest.
Just pointing out it sounds like a loaded question.

NOT that I'm insinuating Bigbertha1 started it with that in mind.

BigBertha1 Thu 14-Jan-21 14:42:23

Just wondered - is he all bad then? Actually evil?