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The E.U. And AstraZeneca row.

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Urmstongran Wed 27-Jan-21 22:41:30

It seems to be escalating. It’s quite worrying.

From this my understanding is that EU supplies from AstraZeneca would be in place now if they had ordered like we did in May and the shortfall is because they didn't. On top of that they refused an offer of an extra 300 million jabs from Pfizer in favour of the French vaccine which won't be ready until late this year. In other words they cocked it up badly and now expect to hijack our vaccine. The arrogance is breathtaking.

And why was Ireland prevented from buying vaccines outside of the EU program.... When Germany was allowed to.?

Firecracker123 Mon 01-Feb-21 11:55:22

Friday January 29 2021, 12.01am, The Times
When Boris Johnson called Kate Bingham last April and asked her to lead Britain’s vaccine task force the brief was simple: “Stop people from dying.”

Of course it was Boris and his Government who instigated this stop being so negative. Have some pride in the UK.

MayBee70 Mon 01-Feb-21 11:54:07

It just goes to show how things work better if you put someone in charge that has an in depth knowledge of what they’re doing. It seems that the Conservatives are now branding themselves as the party of the NHS and people are actually falling for it. David Davis is still banging on about VitD but no one is listening to him. People have such short memories.

Callistemon Mon 01-Feb-21 11:50:25

^Put your oxygen mask on first,” before helping others. ... Because if you run out of oxygen yourself, you can't help anyone else with their oxygen mask. Or put more simply: if you die, you can't help anyone else.^

trisher Mon 01-Feb-21 11:35:40

Firecracker123 Nothng to do with Boris and his government but the excellent Vaccine team under Kate Bingham who wasn't paid -https://www.ft.com/content/9f08cd41-c895-4138-ba37-6f9c36fcef31
And the efforts of the NHS and public health system which had they been given more responsibility previously (for Track and Trace) might have prevented some of the more dreadful results of his virus

Firecracker123 Mon 01-Feb-21 11:25:07

Britain will prioritise offering spare vaccines to Ireland once stocks are secured for the UK jab rollout, The Telegraph understands.

Ministers are examining sharing vaccines with other countries in order "to protect us and the rest of the world" as soon as supplies for the domestic vaccination programme are assured, a Government source said. "The Common Travel Area falls into that category," the source added. "If Ireland was still experiencing shortfalls, we absolutely would.
Copied from The Telegraph today

Protecting your own citizens surely should come first and that is what the UK is doing. Fantastic vaccine rollout, over 10 million people vacinated.

Credit where credit is due Boris and his government have pulled a blinder.

MaizieD Mon 01-Feb-21 11:04:16

^ Canada have ordered 5 times the amount of various vaccines enough to give 5 times the population of Canada. That’s greedy!^

Well, we seem to have ordered enough for 4 times our population. So only slightly less greedy...

QuickFire9 Mon 01-Feb-21 11:00:58

Nannna8 .....Chinese whispers. The truth gets lost travelling so far. Belgium and the Netherlands weren’t making what they should. The U.K. deal was to supply everyone once we had made our first 100 million for the U.K. here. Canada have ordered 5 times the amount of various vaccines enough to give 5 times the population of Canada. That’s greedy!

Firecracker123 Mon 01-Feb-21 10:54:44

A trio of Remainers lol ?

MaizieD Mon 01-Feb-21 10:53:09

Well, that got spoiled! grin

MaizieD Mon 01-Feb-21 10:52:38

PippaZ

Obviously a chance to be very, very childish for others.

{grin}

PippaZ Mon 01-Feb-21 10:48:27

Obviously a chance to be very, very childish for others.

Firecracker123 Mon 01-Feb-21 10:35:46

Obviously a sore spot for some ?

PippaZ Mon 01-Feb-21 10:28:12

Good Lord, can any more be rung out of this. It's obviously the only actual reason any of you can think of for leaving the EU and you (leave voters) are going to beat it to death on here by the look of things. Heaven help us all as our future was based on this sort of reasoning.

lemongrove Mon 01-Feb-21 10:06:51

Seriously though, the EU have dealt themselves a real blow by their actions, which, as they are seeing, have consequences.

lemongrove Mon 01-Feb-21 10:04:43

Canada and Japan amongst others are angry with the EU now,
Bet they wished they had never thought up those bully boy ideas, they’re probably all blaming each other in the Commission now as to who thought it up ( stand up Ursula!)

lemongrove Mon 01-Feb-21 10:01:53

....Except the Conservatives would never choose Gavin Williamson in a million years.
Nemesia ?that gave me a much needed laugh this morning so a big thank you for posting it.

Alegrias1 Mon 01-Feb-21 10:00:26

??? varian

varian Mon 01-Feb-21 09:57:43

Why would they choose Gavin Williamson when they could have Chris Grayling?

Alegrias1 Mon 01-Feb-21 09:54:15

If Johnson resigns tomorrow then the Conservative party could make Gavin Williamson Prime Minister without the public having a say.

Von der Leyen was elected by the members of the European Parliament. We used to send elected members to the European Parliament when we were members. of the EU.

Urmstongran Mon 01-Feb-21 09:42:28

Ursula von der Leyen has made such a mess of the EU’s vaccine procurement programme that it is hard to imagine EU citizens voting to re-elect her for a second term as president of the European Commission.

Helpfully, however, Mrs Von der Leyen does not have a popular mandate for her job and never will require one. She was rubber-stamped for the post by the European Parliament, but that is hardly the same as having to make a case to the people and defend your past record!

‘Just as the time had come for evaluations, she had already climbed to the next rung on her career ladder’

Upon her appointment as commission president, jaws dropped among opposition politicians and even Christian Democrat party colleagues. Rupert Scholz, who, like Mrs Von der Leyen, served as defence minister, blamed her for causing the army to fall into a “catastrophic” condition. Fellow German Eurocrat Martin Schulz described her as “the weakest member” of Angela Merkel’s government. It was rather as if Gavin Williamson had just been appointed prime minister without the public having a say.

Stormystar Mon 01-Feb-21 09:07:45

Nemesia loving your mind

Jaxjacky Sun 31-Jan-21 21:32:29

Nemesia very good...

Chewbacca Sun 31-Jan-21 21:15:02

Nemesia That was brilliant, thanks for sharing! grin

petra Sun 31-Jan-21 21:10:04

Nemesia
Absolutely brilliant. I've shared it with everyone I know.
That's why it took 9 years for them to tie up a deal with Canada but not before the Walloons put a spanner in the works and changed their mind from pepperoni to Anchovies.
They were told to take what your given. ?

Kim19 Sun 31-Jan-21 20:56:43

Thanks Lemon. My mind is going into overdrive.