The E.U. And AstraZeneca row.

I agree with it too but I do feel a bit guilty that this would mean I would get my vaccine but deny, for a period of time, others getting theirs.

PippaZ

The WHO appears to be suggesting that the countries with plenty of vaccine should halt after they have vaccinated their vulnerable and share with countries who have little or none.

Couldn’t agree more.

No one seems to understand that it is in our best interests to do just that.

The WHO appears to be suggesting that the countries with plenty of vaccine should halt after they have vaccinated their vulnerable and share with countries who have little or none.

Yes I live in England, should I have been pc and put England, Wales, Scotland and NI ?

England Firecracker123? Bit of a giveaway there...

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MaizieD

seamstress

I am anti Brexut, but that does not mean I think the EU is perfect and I would prefer we were able to influence their policies from within rather than merely moan about them from the sidelines. The UK has dithered and delayed on many issues in this pandemic, we are far from exemplary, you've only got to look at the death rates, the EU has reversed its initial threat, and Michel Barnier has said this was not helpful. We rely on the EU for many things, and that will not change anytime soon.

You've just said what I wanted to say, seamstress. Thank you.

At least this spat was a reversible blip. Not like the fallout from Boris's Botched Brexit...

And both of you have said what I wanted to say but I did not want to be part of yet another Brexit discussion. What do they say? Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. There is much good in having a European Union and there was much good in being part of it and they were the "goods" which I can argue for politically and as a human being. There is never likely to be perfection in any political setup.

seamstress

I am anti Brexut, but that does not mean I think the EU is perfect and I would prefer we were able to influence their policies from within rather than merely moan about them from the sidelines. The UK has dithered and delayed on many issues in this pandemic, we are far from exemplary, you've only got to look at the death rates, the EU has reversed its initial threat, and Michel Barnier has said this was not helpful. We rely on the EU for many things, and that will not change anytime soon.

You've just said what I wanted to say, seamstress. Thank you.

At least this spat was a reversible blip. Not like the fallout from Boris's Botched Brexit...

It is not the EU who made promises (and paid a lot of money too) to NI- like Johnson saying there would be NO paper work, etc, and that if anyone had any to fill, to just put it in the paper basket, or send them to him and he would bin them, etc. And in the context of vaccines and the EU, Johnson was the one to first mention triggering art 16, not the EU.

Many of us warned, again and again, that the border issue between the UK/NI and the Ireland/EU- was not possible to solve, and that it would lead to unbearable friction between UK- NI- and Ireland/EU - and as per usual, the repeated reply was 'ahaha project fear'.

It has not been solved, and there is NO solution- and it will create unberable friction- especially in a crisis- as per Covid.

I listened to Arlene Foster being interviewed yesterday and she was absolutely furious at the way the extremely arrogant, incompetent EU had treaded them. The EU who didn’t think to notify the Irish governments North or South. It beggars believe.

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The point is that the UN record, particularly in those places petra listed, is not good.

I am anti Brexut, but that does not mean I think the EU is perfect and I would prefer we were able to influence their policies from within rather than merely moan about them from the sidelines. The UK has dithered and delayed on many issues in this pandemic, we are far from exemplary, you've only got to look at the death rates, the EU has reversed its initial threat, and Michel Barnier has said this was not helpful. We rely on the EU for many things, and that will not change anytime soon.

Callistemon

^You are looking at it as a political issue and not a biological issue.^
It would be an organisational issue and with it the danger of fraud and exploitation.

How does anyone who insists it is a political issue address the real and existential danger of mutation in countries who are by reason of their economic muscle going to be the last to be vaccinated?

What happens in these countries will directly affect us.

Well the EU have made it quite clear it is a political issue. The EU is wealthy and more than able to vaccinate every citizen.
But they dithered and cocked up. They want to stop all vaccines leaving the EU. How is that sharing with poorer nations?

Of course it's biological. We need all all the vaccines we can make and probably to stop international travel indefinitely not ease it off in the summer. The virus will still be here in autumn and winter 2021 and beyond.

You are looking at it as a political issue and not a biological issue.
It would be an organisational issue and with it the danger of fraud and exploitation.

Yes Callistemon....one of our AC who voted to Remain rang last night for a chat and said much the same thing.

Of course it’s a world wide problem which will only be fully resolved when all countries are able to vaccinate their own people, but that doesn’t mean that a powerful organisation should be able to threaten other countries who have contracts
For vaccine, just because they ( EU) are coming late to the party and are casting around for others to blame.

lemongrove I have had comments from staunch remainers whom I know saying that they are hugely disappointed in the EU, the way they have behaved and wondering if leavers were, in fact, right.

I was surprised but, on reflection, it's a valid viewpoint.

A couple of those who voted to leave have said it proves their point and the reason they voted leave - the cumbersome and slow bureaucracy involved in decision-making.

petra

Whitewavemark2

I would like the UN to take charge and for all vaccine roll out to be decided on a world wide basis.

Good grief!!! We would really be stuffed.
Bosnia
Ruanda
Mali
Haiti.

You are looking at it as a political issue and not a biological issue.

That is the problem.

Mamardoit

Whitewavemark2

I would like the UN to take charge and for all vaccine roll out to be decided on a world wide basis.

But there is not enough to go round is there. Are you saying the vulnerable in the UK (one of the worst affect countries) should go without? The government did the right thing early why should our vulnerable miss out?

AZ will supply the vaccine at cost. TheEU have behaved appallingly just to try and cover up their own short comings.

No I didn’t say that did I?

This virus is world wide, that’s how it needs to be tackled. If we don’t and see it from what we consider (quite wrongly) our own self interests, it will mutate and could mutate into something that makes the current variants seem like a walk in the park.

petra True, their record in many places speaks for itself!

It wasn’t a personal comment whitewave just that I was posting immediately after your comment and was amazed that you were the only poster not to say that the EU commission have behaved badly.There are many people on here who were sad that we left the EU but can still bring themselves to say that the EU are very wrong in this vaccine matter.

What should the PM do biba70 allow the shops in NI to have empty shelves?

Whitewavemark2

I would like the UN to take charge and for all vaccine roll out to be decided on a world wide basis.

Good grief!!! We would really be stuffed.
Bosnia
Ruanda
Mali
Haiti.

In the House of Commons just 10 days ago, Johnson said if there are issues with supplying good to NI, he would have NO hesitation in triggering Art. 16.