Is Boris's trip essential?

Urmstongran

Well I think it’s right that Boris visits Scotland. He ought to be going more regularly! And over I Wales and N.I. He knows he is the public face of the government of the UK.
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We are still a Union.
I hope Scotland doesn’t leave it.

I’m also glad that Scotland has it’s vaccines for roll out and is not relying on a shipment from the E.U.

But in the middle of a pandemic ? The security required ? More people taking risks? That’s the point, not Scottish independence

^ . . . in the middle of a highly infectious pandemic?"^ and in the middle of a travel lockdown on Scots? Hasn't he done his homework?

Not all Jacobites were Scots. There was a strong swell in England towards reinstating the House of Stuart - and in Queen Mary (wife of William Of Orange, and co-monarch with him of the united kingdoms of England and Scotland) and her sister Queen Anne, that was accomplished.

That the Jacobite army marched as far as Derby unopposed could not have happened if it had been composed entirely of "rebellious Scots".

Anyhow, returner a nos moutons, what has this to do with Johnson visiting Scotland in the middle of a highly infectious pandemic?

Alegrias1

Sorry for jumping on your post 25Avalon

I think there's somebody in Germany who is claimed to be in the direct line of descent.

Franz, Duke of Bavaria

Thank you, Alegrias1, for setting out the facts about the quite separate unions of the crowns (1603) and of the parliaments (1707) - and the various Jacobite rebellions (inc 1719 vs 1709?). I am always irritated by the superficial, but widely-held, impression that the Jacobite rebellions were simple "Scots vs English" affairs. My clan (from about as deep into Scotland as you can go) were solidly anti-Jacobite, and fought on the Government side throughout.

Sorry for jumping on your post 25Avalon

I think there's somebody in Germany who is claimed to be in the direct line of descent.

Alegrias1 tried to put it in a nutshell. Thanks for elaborating. The Old Pretender and Young Pretender were disposed but had Bonnie Prince Charlie not turned back at Derby we could have seen a Catholic male hereditary king. I always thought their supporters were Scots but obviously not every Scot. I wonder if there are any descendants left to claim the throne?

Well I think it’s right that Boris visits Scotland. He ought to be going more regularly! And over I Wales and N.I. He knows he is the public face of the government of the UK.
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We are still a Union.
I hope Scotland doesn’t leave it.

I’m also glad that Scotland has it’s vaccines for roll out and is not relying on a shipment from the E.U.

I see the SNP have reported Boris to the police for non-essential travel.

Oh I love a good history argument.

It was the Jacobite rebellion certainly that tried to reinstate Charlie as king but that was the third such attempt to return the crown to a catholic Stuart. Previous attempts had been made in 1709 and 1715.

The person you refer to as "Mary of Orange" was no such thing, she was the daughter of James II, who was the second son of Charles I. So she was a Stuart, as was her sister Queen Anne who succeeded William and Mary and in whose reign the Union of the Parliaments was enacted. Following Anne's death the crown passed to a Protestant German heir, George I.

So the Stuarts weren't deposed and it was the Catholic Stuart followers of James, Charlie's father, who led the Jacobite Rebellions. Not the Scots.

Elegran once England and Scotland had the same Scottish King - King James 1 of England and King James V1 of Scotland, the Stuart dynasty. The Stuarts however were subsequently deposed with The Glorious or Bloodless Revolution and William and Mary of Orange became the ruling monarch. This lead to the Jacobite Rebellion when the Scots sought to reinstate Bonnie Prince Charlie.

Perhaps it's a cunning plan by the SNP, a double bluff. By telling Boris Johnson to stay away from Scotland that makes him more likely to come, and every time he goes to Scotland the SNP gains support. He is second only to Margaret Thatcher in having this effect.

and just to add to FACTS ,Barnet is just a % of the money we send TO WM.Scotland sends 580 million POUNDS A week

Firecracker the Independence movement isn't dependent on Nicola Sturgeon or any other leader,its grass roots .Who do you think voted for the SNP whose core policy is Independence ?
Its not Nicola who marches the streets ,its tens or hundreds of thousands of SCOTS of many nationalities who call Scotland home ,its people who want Independence.Is our vote to be discarded...is democracy to be denied us because Bojo wants to treat us like a colony and not the partner in Union we were supposed to be.
The Empire is long dead ,the last vestiges of it are on the verge of going
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Westminster fighting fires
Wales growing Indy curious
British Virgin Islands talking about Independence
Irish Unity a growing concern for Westminster
Gibraltar joining the Schengen zone. In negotiations with Spain
Caribbean countries talking about removing the Queen as head of state
Scotland demanding its rightful Independence
how desperate is Tory Westminster.?
Scotland can certainly do better than this.
Leave Westminster far behind ???????
The people of Scotland are sovereign not Parliament or PM or Queen ,its up to US to make the decision and its not in Bojo's power to deny it.Scotland is their biggest concern because its Scotland that FUNDS England ....WM has been feeding lies to the population for centuries ,Just as they did with India . !!Did YOu know that Scotland is the only country in the UK that has exported more than it has imported since records began? Are you even interested? Probably not ...thats imperialism thats been inbred .

Alegrias1

"And what do you call that?"

"We call it a yellow bucket Prime Minister"

Well, I laughed

"And what do you call that?"

"We call it a yellow bucket Prime Minister"

Firecracker123

11:51BlueBelle

Sturgeon is a good, clear, no nonsense politician who makes Johnson look like the twit he is Of course it’s not essential travel he’s a total nincampoop
Nasty post firecracker

Sturgeon is a one trip pony.

Why don't you answer the questions how are you going to support yourselves without Westminster handouts. Believe me I'd be happy if the Barnet Formula was stopped.

So I take it you're in favour of independence?

Your have a very narrow view of what is going on in Scotland Firecracker.
As for the PM’s visit, he is a glutton for punishment.

Well said Elegran. Can I add:

Ye see yon birkie, ca'd a lord,
Wha struts, an' stares, an' a' that;
Tho' hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a coof for a' that:
For a' that, an' a' that,
His ribband, star, an' a' that:
The man o' independent mind
He looks an' laughs at a' that.

Alegrias Rees Mogg sneering at Nicola Sturgeon for "moaning" in defence of her country shows how not all those at Westminster have grasped that politicians need good manners. It seems that the "upper classes" don't always live up to their claims to be "gentlemen".

Manners makyth man. The rank is but the guinea's stamp, the man's the gowd for a' that.

She's a woman. She can do more than one thing at once

Concentrating on one thing doesn't mean she can't do other things at the same time. As for looking at drugs deaths...

www.gov.scot/news/more-than-gbp-250-million-for-drug-deaths-emergency/

CoVid is another trick, Firecracker That makes two at least.

12:37Elegran

At this critical time for all countries, Firecracker she is concentrating on the pandemic, not on independence.

No she is not only 4 days ago she was talking about another Independence Referendum. She's a one trick pony.

Enjoying your posts Elegran. We disagree on independence but your balanced posts show that this is possible without throwing around insults about the different sides.

Well written, Elegran