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Independence for Wales

(36 Posts)
kittylester Mon 01-Mar-21 18:32:16

Having just heard that there is increasing support for the above, I wondered if anyone had a take on it?

Casdon Mon 01-Mar-21 20:52:27

I was referring to the jibe about the First Minister in your first post Gwyneth. I don’t think the political environment in Wales is relevant to why people aren’t heavily in favour of independence, and the First Minister isn’t advocating it as the best way forward either?
I’m not in South Wales either, I’m in Powys, which is the real hinterlands (and proud!).

LauraNorder Mon 01-Mar-21 20:54:15

I’m not a fan Urms, he may look and sound very personable but he is pushing hard for independence and constantly critical of both the Westminster government and the Welsh government without offering constructive alternatives.

Urmstongran Mon 01-Mar-21 22:00:33

Just himself eh LauraNorder perhaps?
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Gwyneth Mon 01-Mar-21 22:43:03

It’s not about independence for the Welsh people and preserving the culture, language and traditions it’s about political power and always has been.

Callistemon Mon 01-Mar-21 23:07:51

I very much respect the desire to preserve the ancient language but do think it’s wrong to teach only through that medium thereby limiting opportunity to Wales and Patagonia.
I agree LauraNorder

I think it is good to preserve the language, ensuring every school pupil in Wales is offered the opportunity to learn it to GCSE level and beyond. However, making it compulsory to GCSE level and, for example, sending out vital medical information to the general population in Welsh with the English translation presented as an after-thought is wrong imo.

paddyanne Mon 01-Mar-21 23:58:36

But its NOT England so why should they be taught in English?Nor are they a colony ,my Welsh aunt ,like ANNIES relative used to get her hands slapped or worse for speaking her own language .Just like Scots with the Gaelic who even as old men would apologise if they slipped into their native tongue ....that cant be right .My next door neighbours are from the islands and Gaelic speakers their GC go to gaelic school and its something they are delighted about and proud of that these children dont have to just speak it at home like some guilty secret

Gwyneth Tue 02-Mar-21 00:11:15

I don’t see the problem with sending out any information in both Welsh and English. In fact when I had my covid vaccination the information given was in several different languages. Just out of interest where I live there is a large Polish community and every official document is sent out in Welsh, English and Polish.

Gwyneth Tue 02-Mar-21 00:18:01

paddyanne lovely to hear about your neighbours’ children going to Gaelic schools. These wonderful languages should be preserved and can only survive through speaking and usage.

LauraNorder Tue 02-Mar-21 01:04:20

The treatment of Welsh language speakers many years ago was appalling, I don’t think anyone would deny that. The point I am making is that if children who speak Welsh at home are also taught only through the medium of Welsh then their opportunities worldwide are limited by their poor English or another more widely spoken language.
We have to be realistic.

Anniebach Tue 02-Mar-21 08:03:15

Children should be taught in English, my three grandchildren
went to university, economics, law, criminal phycology, where
would they have a career if they had only been taught Welsh ?