Pritti Patel and bullying

Aveline I stand by my statement, the little misunderstandings that arise in offices are not bullying.

I was bullied at one school I attended, there can be no misunerstanding over whether it was bullying when you are being regularly punched in the stomach because it is known you have a stomach illness.

I was bullied at work. Again there is no mistaking when a manager interviews to fail you and everybody in the department, including me, knew in advance this was what he intended to do. He later asked me if I had considered the interview as a bumiliation. My reply was that it was an attempt to humiliate.

Sorry, this one might work better:

davidallengreen.com/2021/03/a-close-reading-of-public-domain-information-regarding-the-settlement-between-philip-rutnam-and-the-home-office/#comments

I think that shouting and swearing at the people working for you comes under most people's definition of bullying, Aveline. Patel's management style is pretty well known. She even had to be asked to moderate her behaviour.

Government wouldn't make a 6 figure pay out to someone who was triggered by being asked how their weekend was. I don't think you've read my link. I'll post it again:

davidallengreen.com/2021/03/a-close-reading-of-public-domain-information-regarding-the-settlement-between-philip-rutnam-and-the-home-office/#comments

The writer is a solicitor

We don't really know though. She could just be a forceful, well organised woman who's impatient with the slow pace of action or progress in a department. Is she being especially pilloried because she's a woman? Would it be OK if she was a man in a grey suit? I don't know. None of us know.
M0nica I'm surprised at your glib comment. People are not all the same. One person's bullying is another person's reasonable behaviour. I can give you an example. A woman came to me once to say she was being systematically bullied. I was very concerned and asked what happened. It turned out that this person's work colleagues were a friendly bunch who were trying to show an interest and draw her out a bit. The 'bullying' was them asking her how her weekend had been or what she'd been watching on TV. The poor woman was a shy lady who lived on her own and had not had anyone to discuss this with until it had become blown up out of all proportion in her head. Once I got to the bottom of it all and spoke to all concerned it resolved very well. The lady relaxed and lost her defensiveness and soon felt able to join in general office fun and even went on a few outings.
That's just an example of course but it was to illustrate that 'bullying' comes in an infinite variety of ways and can also be perceived completely differently by an infinite variety of people.

Aveline, this has been going on for years with her.

Fàilte a Chorryanna! Please come back, we need more like you

Those supporting the bullies are bullies themselves.

It would be good if she had to pay it but unfortunatly it will be us paying it.

EllanVannin I doubt she opens the mail herself but I'm sure her civil servants will be getting through the work as fast as they can. Depending on how efficient they are of course...

The woman has totally ignored the fact that a former constituent of hers has so far served 35 years in prison with what's looking like a very unsafe conviction.
A petition was sent to her to ask police to release all withheld documents pertaining to the crime which took place and she didn't/ hasn't had the decency to respond.

Lucca

Priti Patel, Tory, good.
Meghan, bad.
Nicola sturgeon, SNP, bad.

I believe that is how it works on GN ?!

Perfect!

Those supporting PP’s bullying are just agreeing with everything this government does no matter what. If it were Diane Abbott it would be a different story. Nodding dogs springs to mind. There’s no defence for bullying staff.

What is your definition of bullying though?

GillT57 - you are not alone. Several of us here have condemned bullying - but you are right, some think it's OK.
?Unbelievable.

I love Scotland too which is why I detest NS and all that her party has done to it.

I’m quite glad nobody has enlightened me about NS. I have spent far too long this pm, reading another political thread on this forum. I am in no doubt as to certain G-netters’ opinion of Scotland’s FM - wow! Some of you really don’t like her do you? Someone said that the daily briefing is only telling us how many Covid deaths, I suggest that person switches TV on and watches one daily briefing, only one, and listens to all the FM updates the country on.
I’m not going to hang around to read more insults about a country I love, and am proud to call home ??????? Mar sin leibh!

Newbie here, em... why is Nicola Sturgeon SNP bad? And why does that seem to be the way GNetters are/go ? Maybe I’m missing something, no offence intended!

For anyone who might care to read a lawyer's interpretation of the reason for what he describes as an 'extraordinary' settlement, David Allen Green's analysis can be found here:

davidallengreen.com/2021/03/a-close-reading-of-public-domain-information-regarding-the-settlement-between-philip-rutnam-and-the-home-office/#comments

Am I the only one on here who is livid that an "alleged" bully has been let off, has the backing of her boss who chose to ignore reports criticising her and that I as a taxpayer have to foot the bill? Presumably the home office and other departments are now a free for all for bullies. Those of you blaming the victim should be ashamed of yourselves, you have obviously never experienced first hand the effects of bullying on a close family member. I have, and it is awful and the implications long lasting.

She(Priti Patel) did have a reason (for bullying) and a very good one. Getting facts and figures together to compile a report on the sex grooming scandal.

I am sorry, she didn't. If she has to shout and bully to get information, then she is not up to the job. What is more the information will be wrong and inadequate. Bullying is like torture, people will tell you what you wan, whether it is right or wrong, just to get you to stop.

I spent most of my career in the engineering industry, and that industry has some very strong and blunt managers, but the best one I ever had, for whom I did work that won me brownie points, was a small, quiet man, who said please and thank you and commended you when you did good work, everyone who knew him and worked for him would have walked barefoot over broken glass if that was what he asked for. You could not help working hard for him.

He ended up chief executive of one of our top companies.

Sorry missed the ‘l’ off Patel.

Nasir Afzal has been a strong critic of Priti Pate, I’ve pasted one of his tweets belowl:
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I’ve worked with dozens of permanent secretaries & senior civil servants - ministers determine policy, they implement it

None have resigned with such anger & disdain
Rutnam was highly regarded

Priti Patel has a lot of questions to answer
Lawyers will be queuing up to ask them

Ilovecheese

So even if she is a shouting and swearing bully, it is o.k. because she must have a reason.

She did have a reason, and a very good one. Getting facts and figures together to compile a report on the sex grooming scandal.
She was thwarted at every turn. Even being told that some facts and figures had been lost.
High profile figures such as Nazir Afzal and Sarah Champion have commented ( negatively) on the behaviour of the civil servants working on this issue.

OK, here goes: Priti Patel, Duchess of Sussex, Nicola Sturgeon are all bullies who think being unpleasant to staff shows how powerful they are.

I don’t think PP has a “great record in other departments” to be fair.