1% Payrise for NHS workers

Jealousy EV pure and simple. Agency workers get to pick & choose the where, when and how for more money. But there are downsides (must be, or they’d all be doing it). Possibly no sick pay, holiday pay and different pension pot?

Why do some NHS nurses feel fit to ostracise agency nurses like my D was because their pay was higher ?

When I worked for the NHS our pay was frozen for 3 years. When that was lifted we received the princely sum of 1.25%. It was paid in 2 halves, in case we got too excited with it all at once. What really took the mickey was seeing the MP's award themselves in the region of 11%. A good number of my colleagues had to work overtime and that was paid at a lower band. They still had to use their skills to do the same job but they earned the next pay band down. When some decided it wasn't worth it our ward had to use agency staff in order to be staffed at a safe level. These nurses took home 3 times the amount our contracted nurses did. The NHS needs a serious and thorough review. Not by some MP but by a businessmen like Alan Sugar or Richard Branson. There is so much money wasted from the top down and nobody does anything about it.

Yes, the Scottish Government voted to give all health and Social Care workers a £500 "bonus" and asked the Westminster Government to waive any tax liability on the payment. Westminster refused to do this. So the workers will get £500 each funded by the SG and the WG will claim part of it back as Income Tax to swell their coffers.

My D worked for a private medical agency for years and at times was treated atrociously by NHS staff because she was agency. Some of the tales she used to tell me were truly awful and I might add that I wouldn't have lasted because I'd have caused WW3.

I nearly wrote to the company saying how bad my D was being treated. I know you shouldn't tar all nurses with the same brush as I've worked with some brilliant ones, but the more militant amongst them wouldn't get my vote for 1% or any other sort of an increase .

Why should there be this animosity against agency workers whose job is as valuable as anyone else's, in fact in my D's case, the worst jobs were handed out so she more than earned what she got in pay. ? Her work covered both hospitals and nursing homes, some of which were well out of area !

Just amazing.

When it's suggested that any profession should get more pay than it currently earns it seems to bring out the petty minded and downright unpleasant. It doesn't really matter who is getting the pay rise, or should be getting a bigger pay rise; the very thought of it seems to bring out the worst in some people.

What precisely is the objection to anyone getting a pay rise? Jealousy? Natural spite?

It's absolutely no skin off anyone else's noses if NHS workers (which comprise far more than just nurses) get a pay rise ahead of inflation. There is no God given law written on tablets of stone that says that no pay rise must exceed the current rate of inflation.

The chorus of petty criticism and disapproval is quite sickening.

Urmstongran

I’m not a mean person. And I worked for the NHS in a hospital for over 35 years.

The shortage of nurses isn’t because of their salary. It’s because bursaries were removed by Gideon for training. University fees cost money. Many would be nurses can’t afford the fees.

Don't forget the shocking under staffing and terrible working conditions.

People don't just leave professions because they have to pay for training. They vote with their feet when the profession is not attractive. Hence nurse and teacher shortages.

No one wants to take on a s**t job.

Although there is a big argument for getting trained in the UK and then immediately moving overseas where British trained staff ARE valued (I can attest to this).

Derisory. That's all one can say about the idea of a 1% increase. They deserve far more.

Maybe the UNISON Leader will take a paycut and donate it to their members? On £138,00 plus benefits. ‼️

Do they think that's fair compared to PM getting £155,000 plus benefits to run and take responsibility for running the Country?

GrannyGravy13

The awful Tories have a 13 point lead over Labour at the moment (UGov) so they must be doing something right?

This is the wrong thread to list what you might be consider “right” but I am utterly bewildered when thinking of the past 15 months or so.

And no - a one off bonus is not good enough. Their headline salary still won’t help with a mortgage etc.

The awful Tories have a 13 point lead over Labour at the moment (UGov) so they must be doing something right?

Clear where the Tories values lie.

A footballer sets up a charity to feed hungry children because apparently there is no money for them.

Johnson wants a charity to fund Symonds in the decorating of his flat which the DM is reporting amounts to £200000.

Not sure about Agency staff Avalon I know the NHS is charged a lot for their services but I thought a lot of that went to the Agency and a small proportion to the actual staff.

Definitely Alegrias
So sensible.

Like this maybe?

www.gov.scot/news/gbp-500-bonus-for-health-and-social-care-staff/

And I seem to have developed a cold .... ?

? tisher

Oh I think the NHS has seen plenty of taxpayers money. It’s what they do with it all that annoys me.

Perhaps sort out leaner procurement - and give the saved money to the staff as a bonus when possible?

I seem to have adopted an Irish accent for my posts sorry

Urmstongran

Stop jumping on your hobby horse WWmk2. This thread is about the nurses in the NHS. There’s already a thread about Pritti Patel. If we’re not careful varian will be along in a moment to tell us all about ‘the fraudulent Brexit referendum’!
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I tink if you oppose the nurses pay award on economic grounds it's only ffair to look at what has happened to a lot of the money from Rishi's Magic Money Tree because one tings certain. The NHS ain't seen much of it!

Galaxy

I have worked in early years throughout the pandemic, obviously we are all amazing but myself and no one I know in early years would compare it to working in the NHS at this time.

Very fair comment.

Why couldn't there have just been a nice £1000 bonus for all NHS workers?

Stop jumping on your hobby horse WWmk2. This thread is about the nurses in the NHS. There’s already a thread about Pritti Patel. If we’re not careful varian will be along in a moment to tell us all about ‘the fraudulent Brexit referendum’!
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One of the best value for money went to that chap who almost single handedly was responsible for the cracks in first lockdown. Goes under the name of Cummings - was awarded an extra £40000 a year for being such a clever liar.

Oh don’t forget the £350000 pay off the save the Home Secretary.

Money so well spent.

I see that the price of the useless track and trace system being run by a Tory friend has risen to over £30bn now. Now that really is value for money, sod those battling to save our lives.