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varian Mon 22-Mar-21 13:49:45

Those who organised the "Kill the Bill" demonstration in Bristol were no doubt referring to the bill currently going through parliament to restrict protests and impose draconian punishments for damaging property, but unfortunately "Kill the Bill" meant something quite different to a mob of violent hooligans who attacked the police, leaving many injured.

The power of language should not be underestimated.

news.sky.com/story/bristol-kill-the-bill-protest-20-officers-injured-two-seriously-by-rioters-who-came-for-fight-with-police-12253360

JenniferEccles Wed 24-Mar-21 12:48:24

The horrific demonstrations in Bristol against the proposed new Bill will I think have completely the opposite effect to what these hooligans want.

We have tolerated these unlawful rent a mob riots for far too long, and the time has come to crack down on them.

Peaceful, law abiding, calm protests are one thing but as we have seen over the past few years, they always descend into violence.

BLM, Extinction Rebellion, and every other latest bandwagon you care to mention all end up the same way.

timetogo2016 Wed 24-Mar-21 10:54:50

Agree AGAA4,any excuse to be a prat,thick as s..t

varian Wed 24-Mar-21 10:53:56

Two years ago on 23 rd March over one million peaceful protesters marched through London to demand a second vote on leaving the EU. There were very few police in evidence and there was not one arrest.

By 24 March 2019, the petition to revoke Article 50 had received 5 million signatures, and is the most-signed petition to the UK parliament on record it reached 6 million on 31 March, and closed on 20 August with a total of 6,103,056 signatures.

The way that peaceful protest on this scale is ignored does no credit to our country.

Alexa Wed 24-Mar-21 10:42:49

Is is Priti Patel herself or is it Conservative agenda that is to blame ?

Is there a global slide to the far-Right due to widespread fear and insecurity?

yggdrasil Wed 24-Mar-21 09:18:46

A peaceful protest was hijacked by a mob out for trouble. The protesters do want to live in this country, they just don't like the way it is going. And that includes the violent mobs that seem to be more prevalent these days

Sparkling Wed 24-Mar-21 07:44:28

The scenes made me feel physically sick. How dare they attack the police and cause such maher and damage. Our police should not have to face this. These protestors that do not want to live in this country how the majority of decent folks do, why can't they be repatriated to a country they care more at home. That won't happen of course, so should do a spell in prison, no to or phone, then a couple of years cleaning up the areas in which they live, also pay their share of any damage they cause, I would have them tagged for the first year too. have we got to wait until they kill police or member public? That lovely policewoman on to tv this morning, bravely went onto the front line to assist her fellow officers, protecting us from that mob.

Oldwoman70 Mon 22-Mar-21 20:39:49

Callistemon

Oldwoman70

Actually, George Ferguson was an Independent

Interesting, he was a Liberal then Lib Dem - that figures though!

When he decided to stand for Mayor he formed his own political party Bristol 1st

Callistemon Mon 22-Mar-21 19:58:50

Delila ?
Yes, a new group arrived or else they had infiltrated and kept quiet until later.

Callistemon Mon 22-Mar-21 19:56:42

Oldwoman70

Actually, George Ferguson was an Independent

Interesting, he was a Liberal then Lib Dem - that figures though!

Delila Mon 22-Mar-21 19:40:16

AmberSpyGlass, If you think the peaceful protesters earlier in the day were provoked by the actions of the police to become the violent rioters later on you are either naive or disingenuous.

These protests are often infiltrated by organised factions determined to cause chaos by violent means in support of their own unrelated agendas. You can clearly see these were two entirely different crowds.

The unfortunate choice of the slogan “kill the bill” acted as a rallying cry to those waiting in the wings to sabotage the event.

Oldwoman70 Mon 22-Mar-21 19:33:51

Actually, George Ferguson was an Independent

Oldwoman70 Mon 22-Mar-21 19:32:36

Callistemon

^No - because in Bristol you could put up a plank of wood as the Labour candidate and it would be elected^

That is not strictly true Oldwoman70 because his predecessor, George Ferguson, was apparently a Liberal.

Yes but the majority of councillors were Labour. George Ferguson was elected as the first elected Mayor and, I think, he won because he convinced people as a political novice he would bring fresh thinking to the city. When he proved to be a disaster people reverted to voting Labour.

Callistemon Mon 22-Mar-21 19:08:59

No - because in Bristol you could put up a plank of wood as the Labour candidate and it would be elected

That is not strictly true Oldwoman70 because his predecessor, George Ferguson, was apparently a Liberal.

Oldwoman70 Mon 22-Mar-21 18:49:56

varian

Mayor Marvin Rees was quick to condemn therioters.

Yes he did, but he is also being criticised because instead of just condemning the violence and thanking the police he used the interviews as an election platform.

Oldwoman70 Mon 22-Mar-21 18:44:17

To let you know just how disgusting these people were - there are reports that some defecated in front of police and one woman is pictured dropping her pants and peeing in front of them - this is just anarchy and nothing to do with the Bill they are protesting.

Cars in a nearby car park - nothing to do with the police - were vandalised

One woman, interviewed on local radio, claimed the police started the violence (!) and that they must have intended to get violent because they came out of the police station which was being attacked wearing riot gear - I suppose she thought they should just stand there unprotected and take the violence and abuse.

varian Mon 22-Mar-21 18:44:03

Mayor Marvin Rees was quick to condemn therioters.

MaizieD Mon 22-Mar-21 18:42:39

EllanVannin

Which is what I said MaizieD !

Well, you didn't say that , EV. Read your post. The one I quoted. You said 'left wing anarchists'.

They're no more 'left wing' than I am tory...

MaizieD Mon 22-Mar-21 18:40:23

Oldwoman70

varian

Local elections are coming up soon. As you live in Bristol Oldwoman70 do you think that this horrible violence will help or hinder the prospects of Labour Mayor Marvin Rees being re-elected?

No - because in Bristol you could put up a plank of wood as the Labour candidate and it would be elected

I'm struggling to understand what the Labour Mayor has to do with the riots.

Did he incite the rioters? Was he alongside them? Did he organise the protest?

This is not a party political issue. The matter of the Policing Bill, which is what the protest was about initially, has actually caused significant worries across all the parties, including the tories. Even tory voting citizens have concerns about the loss and criminalisation of our right to protest.

EllanVannin Mon 22-Mar-21 18:34:52

Which is what I said MaizieD !

EllanVannin Mon 22-Mar-21 18:33:35

Anti-police. Anti-government rule. Anti-establishment. Anti-Royal. Anti- anyone who dares to own their own businesses/ property.

What a good job they're in the minority !!

MaizieD Mon 22-Mar-21 18:32:01

EllanVannin

Communists/ Anarchists---call them what you like but that mob in Bristol were far-left anarchists who don't believe in law and order on the streets.

Why on earth would anarchists be far left or far right?

They don't believe in anything except doing what they want to do.

EllanVannin Mon 22-Mar-21 18:28:26

Communists/ Anarchists---call them what you like but that mob in Bristol were far-left anarchists who don't believe in law and order on the streets.

EllanVannin Mon 22-Mar-21 18:24:22

Far Right ? Are they any worse than the Marxist/ Trotskyist groups of the Far left ?

EllanVannin Mon 22-Mar-21 18:20:41

I don't even hold with protests of any kind as they are used as an excuse for the heavy mob to join in as invariably they end up with violence.

EllanVannin Mon 22-Mar-21 18:15:55

I'd have deployed hoses----right up their backsides until they scooted off. Humiliating ? Yes, which is what's needed then we could all have a jolly good laugh. That would dampen the gung-ho attitude of the mobsters as well as a lesson learned in case they tried it on again.

These mobs thrive on violence and the thought of millions watching them perform gives them more of a buzz----well I'd knock that on the head for starters by soaking them to the skin in the freezing weather. Knock 'em down like ninepins.