Scottish Election 6 weeks away.

You’re right. I’ve (sadly) changed my mind. Bring on a referendum and let’s settle the matter once and for all.

I hope Scotland reject Indy2 but as you’re all saying, it’s their decision to make.

I didn’t mean you were being daft G23 as our posts crossed - it was the idea of arguing against democracy and giving people a choice.

Frankly it’s daft to argue who said what about what. Things change and politics moves on. If Independence is such a terrible idea, why not simply give Scotland the chance to reject it through holding a referendum?

^But the last one was ‘once in a generation’ that was agreed to by Scotland and signed and witnessed"

Rubbish or should I say gently, you have been misinformed.

For the umpteenth time - The "Once in a generation opportunity" was a throw away remark made by Alex Salmond and in context, was referring to the fact that Scots had never had this opportunity before. It was retrospective rather than referring to the future.

It was never "agreed to by Scotland and signed and witnessed" Indeed the commission set up after the referendum, (which was agreed by both sides) specifically makes no mention of any bar on a future referendum nor a timeframe when that could be brought forward.

The Lisbon Treaty MaizieD?

We're not going "give us another go, we didn't like what happened before"

We're saying "the world has changed, we need to have our say again".

Personally, I'd concentrate on showing that we can be a successful independent nation and have the referendum when that is so obvious that anybody voting for continued Union would be in the minority. Seems obvious to me. But I'm not in charge.

Urmstongran

Okay.

What about my EU ‘vote again till you get it right’ comment then Alegrias?

It's ignorant and ill informed, Ug.

Okay.

What about my EU ‘vote again till you get it right’ comment then Alegrias?

A certain Mr Salmond first used the phrase "once in a generation" in a TV interview after the Edinburgh Agreement had been signed. Not signed and witnessed. Not in any agreements. Not even a real thing.

Keep squirming.

Unionists can squirm all they like trying to say there’s no mandate for a referendum

But the last one was ‘once in a generation’ that was agreed to by Scotland and signed and witnessed.

I think NS will have to challenge the validity of trying for another go round (reminds me of the EU - “keep voting people until you give those of us in power the result we’re aiming for” - vis the Supreme Court.

And you, eazybee, are a very rude person.

You are also a very short-sighted one.

I'm very happy with the results.
SNP and Green votes up and won a few more seats
A pro-independence majority in the Parliament
The ALBA experiment (aka ego trip) failed miserably
Labour making progress
Another Indy ref in the pipeline after the pandemic is over

Yes I'm a very happy Bunny today.

Oh, so much to say….

Thanks suzie for the info. The Mail saying that Nicola had rebuffed something that hadn’t even been offered at the time she was speaking. She’s good, but she’s not psychic.

Unionists can squirm all they like trying to say there’s no mandate for a referendum. Independence supporting parties got a majority of seats in the Parliament. 72 seats out of 129. Difficult to say what proportion of votes they got because of the two ways of voting, but between SNP and Green together it was probably in the high forties. So yes, absolutely true to say that more people voted for the other parties, but since I have no idea what the constitutional views of most of the minority parties are, we’ll stick by the rules of the game and say that the number of seats is what counts. It was an election, not a referendum. (22 parties took part in the election, plus a handful of independents.)

Johnson with his usual attention to detail was talking about how the vaccine rollout went from Gretna to John O’Groats. Wonder what the people of Orkney and Shetland thought of that. Mind you at least he managed to avoid getting the name of the leader of the Scottish Tories wrong this time. He called him Moray Ross earlier in the campaign.

Anyone who’s been paying attention will have heard Sturgeon say on several occasions that there won’t be a referendum until we’re well over COVID so any suggestions that the SNP want one asap is malicious and we just see through it, honestly.

And don’t be lovebombing us, really. It would feel quite unpleasant and it won’t work.

Backed legally by the Supreme Court though sw.

No need for another GE any time soon surely? Boris has the majority he needs to crack on,

Johnson has said so

Urmstongran

No I agree sw that Brexit scars have fissured the political landscape even in England. However, at least here were not about to put ourselves through another potentially seismic referendum. Although of course the result will have ripple effects for us for years too.

We need to lovebomb Scotland! I’d hate for them to leave the Union.

But you’ll support an early GE? Anyway there won’t be Indy2 because has said so and so as we all know, that must be true.

You referring to Brexit?

No MaizieD not elastic at all. More Scots voted in total for the other parties than SNP and the Greens.

The road ahead will be very interesting up there.

"Voters from all the other parties combined actually form the greater majority"

Oh, the irony, the irony...:-)

No I agree sw that Brexit scars have fissured the political landscape even in England. However, at least here were not about to put ourselves through another potentially seismic referendum. Although of course the result will have ripple effects for us for years too.

We need to lovebomb Scotland! I’d hate for them to leave the Union.

I'm not sure where this 'severely split' idea came from. Didn't Alegrias tell us that the Greens also support independence?

As I see it the SNP and the Greens hold a pretty respectable majority.

@ vegansrock & suziewoozie ?. Clearly the numbers needed to express the 'will of the people' are very elastic...

Yet only because SNP + Greens joined together. Voters from all the other parties combined actually form the greater majority in fact. So Indy2 not going to be a shoo in. I’ll stick my neck out and say I think the referendum (if it’s legally allowed) will deliver a ‘stay together’ result.

I hope so anyway. ?

Urmstongran

It seems to me then that Scotland is about to suffer a double dose of disenfranchisement. Brexit and Indy2. Just piles on the upset for some up there.

Oh dear - whereas down here all is hunky dory

I’m looking forward to how the circle will be squared of not being distracted by holding an independence referendum with calling a GE early with an 81 seat majority. Lots of ???needed.