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Scottish Election 6 weeks away.

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Granny23 Wed 24-Mar-21 15:30:21

Now that the brouhaha around Salmon has been resolved and become yesterdays chip paper, it is time to turn our thoughts to the forthcoming Scottish Election. As a life long supporter of the SNP and Independence movement, I am confident of a good outcome for us. With a failed vote of no 'confidence' in the First Minister, the latest opinion poll giving a 6 point lead to YES re Independence and a further 12,500 members joining the SNP in the past week there are 'reasons to be cheerful' and hope for a future free of the shackles of an incompetent/corrupt Westminster Government. For me the only current dilemma is whether I should vote SNP 1& 2 or give my list vote to the Greens.

It is probably wishful thinking but I hope any responses to this post will come only/mainly from those Grandsnetters who will be voting in this election.

Urmstongran Sun 09-May-21 08:47:00

It seems to me then that Scotland is about to suffer a double dose of disenfranchisement. Brexit and Indy2. Just piles on the upset for some up there.

vegansrock Sun 09-May-21 08:45:11

Haha suzie woozie well the independence lobby won in Scotland didn't they - get over it England

vegansrock Sun 09-May-21 08:43:57

I think BJ visited a fishing community in Orkney before Brexit - he wouldn’t dare visit now. Didn’t he go to a vaccination centre for a photo opp for an hour or so?

suziewoozie Sun 09-May-21 08:43:27

vegansrock

Ooh well the U.K. was divided over Brexit wasn’t it? No one suggested working together then - no it was hardline or nothing. 50% of us feel disenfranchised by that.

As in ‘you lost get over it’ ?

vegansrock Sun 09-May-21 08:42:09

Ooh well the U.K. was divided over Brexit wasn’t it? No one suggested working together then - no it was hardline or nothing. 50% of us feel disenfranchised by that.

suziewoozie Sun 09-May-21 08:24:15

Cross posts

suziewoozie Sun 09-May-21 08:23:59

Alegrias1

Morning Urmstongran! I can't find anything like that online. Can you post a link or screenshot please?

Sorry for repeating myself earlier ?

The story is from the DM so make of that what you will. Here’s the bit which explains how they constructed the story. Easy to be taken in if you want to be.

But in a televised statement being delivered as the letter was being emailed to her, Ms Sturgeon criticised the Prime Minister for resisting a new referendum. She said: ‘I hear about Boris Johnson refusing to give in to these demands. And what supposedly clever manoeuvres Westminster might be planning. All of this treats voters in Scotland as if they simply don’t matter – like they are just a sideshow. But voters are not a sideshow. You – not me or Boris Johnson – are the people who matter.’

Btw I hear BJs visits to Scotland during the campaign really helped Ross. What do you mean he didn’t visit? . He loves the Union of course he went ......didn’t he?

Alegrias1 Sun 09-May-21 08:22:03

Aw, I found it! The Sunday Mail, who'd have guessed!

Full political assessment will be given after breakfast ?

Alegrias1 Sun 09-May-21 08:04:07

Morning Urmstongran! I can't find anything like that online. Can you post a link or screenshot please?

Sorry for repeating myself earlier ?

Aveline Sun 09-May-21 07:51:27

Yes Nicola how about actually working for the benefit of Scotland instead of against it.

Urmstongran Sun 09-May-21 07:08:03

Morning Alegrias!

I’ve just read in the Sunday newspaper that Nicola Sturgeon has rebuffed Boris’ suggestion to work more closely together to pull the UK up from the devastating effects of the pandemic. She has called it a ‘supposedly clever manoeuvre’.

As Scotland is severely split down the middle over support for the SNP how do you feel about her statement? Surely 50% of the electorate in Scotland must now be feeling disenfranchised by her vision for the future? Would it not be best to work with Boris for a couple of years, until Indy2 anyway, for the good of the WHOLE of Scotland?

Alegrias1 Sun 09-May-21 06:50:56

1. We did last time, so probably will again
fullfact.org/scotland/ask-full-fact-who-paying-scottish-referendum/

2. Fair request. I hope there will also be an explanation of how much money will remain in Scotland since we wouldn't have to pay anything into the central UK pot any more.

Alegrias1 Sun 09-May-21 06:50:05

1. We did last time, so probably will again
fullfact.org/scotland/ask-full-fact-who-paying-scottish-referendum/

2. Fair request. I hope there will also be an explanation of how much money will remain in Scotland since we wouldn't have to pay anything into the central UK pot any more.

adaunas Sun 09-May-21 01:09:28

I’d vote more confidently for independence if I knew 2 things.
1. Will Scotland alone be expected to defray the cost of the referendum?
2. Will there be a full explanation of how the border, finances, jobs on either side of the border and anything where currently money comes as part of the UK will be affected?

Alegrias1 Fri 07-May-21 13:18:40

And we're off.....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c37d28xdn99t/scottish-parliament-election-2021

Aveline Wed 05-May-21 21:01:45

The percentage drop in attainment is indeed horrifying.
I'll be voting in person. Its all very depressing. More of the same most likely and that's been pretty awful.

SueDonim Wed 05-May-21 15:58:42

I applied for PV’s because we didn’t know what the pandemic situation would be in May.

I’ve got an outing tomorrow, too. I’m going to the vet! grin Well, my two cats are.....£££££

FarNorth Wed 05-May-21 15:58:20

Aveline

I was horrified when I saw these tables illustrating what's happened to education in Scotland under SNP

The bars on those graphs are completely out of proportion, as Elegran says.
Two of them also appear to have got their sums wrong.

Horrifying indeed.

Alegrias1 Wed 05-May-21 15:41:13

I think you could be right SueDonim.

I'm voting in person tomorrow. Gets me out of the house grin

SueDonim Wed 05-May-21 15:14:16

Alegrias1

Lots of discussions about local elections in other threads but we're all very quiet about Scotland. Have we all lost the will to live?

Yep! ?

We, like I believe one million others in Scotland, have got postal votes this time so it’s all over for us, bar the counting. Maybe that’s why people aren’t contributing.

Alegrias1 Wed 05-May-21 12:45:31

Its spreading. Sky News last night, although I didn't see it live.

7% is about half of 51%

Aveline Wed 05-May-21 10:38:04

Why haven't the SNP released the OECD report into Scottish education? Another paper to be drip fed and redacted? Scottish education has deteriorated significantly in the past 14 years. Wonder why?

Elegran Wed 05-May-21 09:56:54

Aveline

I was horrified when I saw these tables illustrating what's happened to education in Scotland under SNP

You don't even need experience of data presentation to read the numbers superimposed on the bar graph. 498 is not half of 533, but the graphics make it appear to be, as though performance has halved. People retain their first visual impression of a graph, even if the figures are in the pic somewhere.

Alegrias1 Wed 05-May-21 09:19:02

Lots of discussions about local elections in other threads but we're all very quiet about Scotland. Have we all lost the will to live?

Aveline Fri 30-Apr-21 07:40:27

'Taking her eye off the ball' was a desperately crass thing for Sturgeon to say for all the reasons listed above.
Varian I entirely agree re Willie Rennie. He, like all the LibDems, is very sensible. I fear that middle of the road, practical, down to earth parties will be crushed between warring ideologies. Its a great pity as we need more voices of reason.