Some effects of Brexit on unimportant people

And by substituting "France for EU" you have completely miss interpreted and miss represented my post Dinahmo. The EU isn't a country, it's a group of countries.

I have seen over the last couple of days that Brits living in Spain who have not applied for or been given Spanish residency have been required to leave by next week. If they do not do so they will be deported and risk not being allowed back into Spain. The couple they interviewed have lived in Spain for years under the radar and thought they were fine - they voted to leave the EU believing it would not affect them.

Surely this has been publicised by the Spanish authorities Welshwife as there will have been plenty of Brits living in Spain who've applied for residency.

Unfortunately many people did not think it would affect them it seems.
Some people have applied for residency but it has been denied - I gave no idea why but suspect if they have been living there for years and not joined the tax and health systems it could have a bearing on the matter.
Freedom of movement did not mean you could move to another country and not pay your dues. The lack of it now will mean that people wishing to travel in Europe more than 90 days will no longer be able to do so as the 90 days is for the whole Schengen area.

If people haven't being taxes that would explain a lot Welshwife. It's incredible to think that people didn't think that leaving the EU would affect them.

Were we living in one of the member states, that would have been the first thing we'd have looked into.

The 90 days in any 180 has always applied Welshwife which is why I stuck rigidly to it when staying at mi Casa over the last ten years.

From next year, anyone wanting to stay longer (while remaining UK resident) will be able to apply for an ETRIAS visa which lasts 3 years.

People have always flown under the radar abroad (and probably here in UK as well) and they’ve had almost five years to get their act together so no sympathy from me on that score.

None from me either Pantglas... in fact it’s their own stupid fault.

Smileless2012

I don't think you bothered to read my post did you Maizie.

Where did I say that the OP was moaning and complaining?

You assume incorrectly, that I have no sympathy for the disruption that leaving the EU has caused.

I was not naive enough to assume there wouldn't be disruption and like every other person who voted, whether it was to leave or remain, exercised my democratic right to do so.

Unlike so many though, I have neither the need nor the desire to keep fuelling the division and bad feeling.

Exactly, well said.????
The beauty ( if that’s the right word)? of GN is that you can revisit Brexit ( should we or shouldn’t we) for 4/5 years, with untold pages of complaining, real Groundhog Day stuff.
I wonder if ardent Remainers will have come to terms with it in ten years time.?

Same here Pantglas we know people living under the radar, not paying taxes, using EHIC cards etc. No sympathy from me either there has been plenty of publicity and help available.

Pantglas2

The 90 days in any 180 has always applied Welshwife which is why I stuck rigidly to it when staying at mi Casa over the last ten years.

From next year, anyone wanting to stay longer (while remaining UK resident) will be able to apply for an ETRIAS visa which lasts 3 years.

People have always flown under the radar abroad (and probably here in UK as well) and they’ve had almost five years to get their act together so no sympathy from me on that score.

Pantglas2 ..unfortunately I think you may be wrong on the ETRIAS system ..you will have to apply for one as you say ..but ..it still does not allow you to stay over 90 days, it’s just a travel and track system that everybody will have to use so they can see when you enter and exit the Schengen zone. The only way to stay over the 90 days is to get Residency..I know as I have just had to do it ...even though I will still spend at least 5 months in the U.K. .

Smileless2012

And by substituting "France for EU" you have completely miss interpreted and miss represented my post Dinahmo. The EU isn't a country, it's a group of countries.

Yes, but France is part of the EU is it not. I still don't understand why, if the vote had gone the other way, would people be forced to stay in the EU against their wills? Perhaps you could explain that to me since I'm obviously being
stupid this weekend.

I think she meant the 'institution' of the EU, Dinahmo, rather than the physical entity.

Yes, that's what I meant Maizie. Had the result been to remain, those who wanted to leave would have been be forced to stay in the European Union.

it would have been the status quo so no big changes anywhere.

I know the 90/180 rule was there previously but it was not actually applied by most of the countries. Now passports will be stamped each time you cross the border. Because of the pattern of our visits to France before we decided to move we did not stay more than three months at a time and about 5 months maximum over the year,
It will affect people who divided their lives between Europe and U.K. if they wish to stay for a six month stint. That is when they will need the new visa and I think they are limited in number.
There are a good few in France who are not in the system so will find thing more difficult. They are also likely to be found out - many have thought that if they pay tax in U.K. and earn no money in France they are safe but that is not how it works and you must register for income tax to live here legally.

Just read this article on the effect Brexit is having on small businesses.
www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/29/small-business-exports-fall-eu-survey-brexit?CMP=share_btn_tw
Many are finding the red tape and delays to their exports mean it is no longer viable for them to continue to trade with EU. Big firms can get round this by opening an office in EU. Again, it is the ‘little’ person, as per thread title, that is suffering.

I have just received a Mother's Day gift from Italy.
It cost my son 44 euros plus shipping/duty taking it to around 70 euros.

I've just paid £27 to receive it.
?
It's obviously the thought that counts.... but like the Christmas token gifts (in the OP), not a thought I expect he will be having again any time soon.

simtib

The whole leave campaign was a disgrace. It's main focus was on keeping the immigrants out and the vote showed this country up for what we are. It completely ignored the disastrous effect it is was going to have on many peoples lives keeping the immigrants was what mattered.

I have relatives in US and Australia, over the years quite a few parcels in both directions were sent, they were complicated and expensive to ship. So leaving the EU the hassle with delivery and cost is not a surprise to me, I’m just glad I don’t live in NI, where the best option is to buy from ROI.

DD is (hopefully) coming to the end of a couple of months on furlough caused, not by COVID, but Brexit.

Her job is organising funding for research projects, projects which are part of that wonderful scientific research led future that Boris sees ahead for us.

Unfortunately, most of the funding came from joint EU research funds, and we are no longer part of the EU and because Brexit was so rushed, nothing was done about sorting funding out and untangling UK funds until after Brexit happened.

So no funding, no research because of the lack of funding and people like her and the scientists doing the researching, sitting on their hands and whistling in the wind. She is lucky, she is on furlough, but a lot of scientists rely on research contracts, for work, so they are unemployed.

DD hopes to be back at work in mid-April, when the new funding system will be up and implemented, but funding contracts takes time and it will be at least June before the money comes through.

So six months of research time wasted doing nothing just waiting for funding flows to be reorganised. the same money, but in different places.

Catastrophic post brexit cuts to UK science funding

www.theguardian.com/science/2021/mar/31/uk-scientists-funding-cuts-grants-foreign-aid

growstuff

No pandemic stopped the Erasmus scheme. When will you just accept that the government has reneged on some of the promises it made? It lied - there's no other word for it.

I couldn't agree more with this. I respect the fact that some people have different opinions - and I also recognise that there was a case to be made for Brexit which, for some, was convincing.

But the acceptance and repetition of all the lies, without even a no at a critical appraisal of them, just smacks of desperation.

I’ve stated on here previously I voted leave but it impacted me in ways I didn’t expect. Both my sons in completely different fields, one in a city job the other in the arts both left the U.K. Younger son’s job was moved to an EU country due to Brexit and with it the job market for that role shrunk significantly. He chose to move away from the U.K. as he wished to keep working in that field as his training was in that role and he could foresee a recession looming and wanted financial stability in order to get his foot on the housing ladder. Elder son worked in the arts funded by EU grants. He couldn’t move to the EU as doesn’t have any EU heritage to use so instead moved to NZ with his partner as the arts funding is good there. I voted for Brexit not really understanding the implications. I feel the government has a duty of care to make sure that Brexit doesn’t set us back, and Boris Johnson hasn’t behaved in a diplomatic manner towards the EU so why would they want to give us any concessions?

Thank you for that honest post DillytheGardener.

Dilly the Gardener I'm not intending to be rude or attack you personally. But I'm genuinely interested to know why you thought Brexit wouldn't impact you in the way that it has.

I'm interested to know that NZ has good arts funding because I remember working with a girl from NZ in the sixties who'd moved to London because she was especially interested in ballet and there wasn't a company in NZ. In fact very little arts culture at that time.

I'm sorry that your son has moved to New Zealand - a long way got go for a visit.

Varian I have read that link and sent it on to DD. It completely encapsulates the reason she and so many other scientists are furloughed or unemployed.

Both my AC work in research. One a scientist, the other in the humanities. DS's dept is No 4 in the world ranking of departments teaching his subject. The department now has as many post graduate as undergraduate students because of the quality of the reearch and teaching - but many of these students came to the department under the Erasmus scheme, which we have left and it is felt that the Turin scheme is not an adequate replacement.

Like DD he spends a lot of time scrabbling around for other sources of funds and writing proposals. DD's job is concentrated on the fundraising aspects. DS also has teaching and research responsibilitites. His dept can only hold their heads up internationally if their resaerch remains of a high enough quality.

Every time I go on Gransnet there is someone moaning about Brexit. Don't like it? Tough. This country is so much better than the entire EU, as our 30 million jabs and COVID freedom compared with draconian lockdowns in France for example shows.