Who Benefits? Brexit

Thank you PGA girl for actually answering the OP. I didn’t want to hear all the negatives again, I have heard them . I have never actually heard any positives and that was what I was interested in.

Like my mum and dad talking about the war?

Some remainers are still very angry about it all so just like talking about it over & over.
Gransnet ( & other online forums) are probably some sort of outlet to let off steam because no one I know in RL ever mentions brexit.
I think a global pandemic killing millions became a bit more important.

Nobody wants to answer my question, What’s the point of going on and on about something that’s a done deal and that you can’t change,

All those people who keep posting stuff about Brexit. What is the point???

I really don’t get it.

PGAgirl Yet again that old trope about unelected bureaucrats. Farage, Daubeny, Widdecombe were all elected by us. The MEPs then elect the the next tiers.

The UK hasn't depended upon manufacture for many years. WE are, or were, now that the banks are going abroad, a service economy.

With regard to the vaccine, the UK was quite powerful within the EU and, had we still been in, would have made its voice heard.

Libral0 Finally, whilst the other EU countries have all suffered from covid, as least they don't have to deal with the fall out from Brexit.

"So get used to going hungry and not being able to replace things" for goodness sake.

It has become an autocracy not a common market that the UK joined. I hope all Gransnet contributors get behind the UK and buy BRITISH.

I'm afraid your hopes are to be disappointed. 'Backing Britain' didn't work in the 1960s and it isn't going to work now. We haven't been self sufficient in food for nigh on 150 years and we don't make sufficient consumer goods to satisfy demand. So get used to going hungry and not being able to replace things.

libra10, once the pandemic has subsided I think you'll find that we are in a worse economic mess than any other comparable country. The government won't be able to blame covid then.

I think the outcome of Brexit has been a new pride in the UK. Having lived in the EU for several years, for work, I know just how selfish and useless the EU is. It felt like a yoke off my neck when we finally got out, why did it take so long? The big benefit is we can make our own laws that suit the UK, not the EU, we have control on our economy and can adjust fiscal methods to suit us. We are not marching to Federalism that most European people do not want either, only the few non-elected people at the top of the EU who see it as their increasing powerbase. It has become an autocracy not a common market that the UK joined. I hope all Gransnet contributors get behind the UK and buy BRITISH.

The "economic doodoo" we are in now, as MaizieD so elequently puts it, has nothing to do with coronavirus which is raging through the nation? No, it is all due to Brexit!

Are you serious? All countries are in trouble economically, largely due to this vicious pandemic!

I know, I should stop posting on these brexit threads as they’re completely pointless now.
We’ve left & won’t be joining again anytime soon - if ever.

I'm with you there growstuff from the perspective of a leave voter of course.

......and so it rumbles on and on and on and on and on

Jacob Rees Mogg benefits.

We'll see them in 50 years time, wasn't it?

And yes. we could have done exactly the same thing with our vaccines if we'd still been in the EU.

Many things could have been totally different, though.

We could have had a competent government; we could have influenced the Commission to behave differently, because we were a very significant and influential member of the EU (despite our continual moaning). We certainly wouldn't be deep in the economic doodoo as we are now...

Oops, I didn’t mean to quote a post!

MaizieD

I don't think you'll get a response because the Brexiters on here are tired of telling us about the glories of Brexit and finding that said glories are unappreciated.

They now tend to ignore threads like this. If they've been adversely affected they're not admitting it...

Jacob Rees Mogg benefits.

Daisend1

growstuff
Be patient.
Rome wasn't, so history informs, built in a day.

So what am I waiting for?

I've truly given up and I'm not going to write what I truly think of people who still go along with the rubbish. They're beyond the pale as far as I'm concerned, but there's nothing I can do about them and my sanity is too important to me to even spend time thinking about them.

libra10

Anyone who has been lucky enough to have had their Covid vaccination should be happy about Brexit.

Compare the high rates of UK vaccinations done compared to Europe's bureaucratic muddle. They couldn't have done worse, now threatening to block exports of the vaccinations.

And that really is just about the only positive! And that's been manufactured and manipulated!

Some EU countries actually have the same percentage of fully vaccinated people as the UK.

It's done, we're out why do we have to keep harping on about it.

We're out with a crap deal, unfortunately, but I wouldn't want to be back in now.

growstuff
Be patient.
Rome wasn't, so history informs, built in a day.

I don't see how that can be true Kandinsky as you say they're so far behind us, it doesn't make any sense.

Apparently, we could have ordered all our vaccines and been well ahead even if we’d stayed in the EU ( according to some remainers )
Not sure if that’s true, but if it is, why are all the other EU coutures so far behind us?
Why didn’t they do what we did?
I mean, they can do no wrong according to some people. But crikey, even their own citizens are disappointed in them.

It looks as if a deal is about to be struck so the supply of vaccinations wont be blocked libra despite Macron's best efforts to do so.

Yes, to join the Common Market which was not what the EU has become and at the time Charles de Gaulle was "desperately trying" to keep us out.

Not a lot's changed there has it.

Anyone who has been lucky enough to have had their Covid vaccination should be happy about Brexit.

Compare the high rates of UK vaccinations done compared to Europe's bureaucratic muddle. They couldn't have done worse, now threatening to block exports of the vaccinations.

Now we have to make it work because there’s no going back.

But there's the big problem, Peasblossom. It isn't going to work in its present form because it is impossible for it to work.

There is no practicable solution to NI. There never was and after 5 years of trying to find one, and the dreadful 'solution' we have now, it is clear that there isn't going to be one.
Exports to the EU have dropped like a stone or become non-existent in some cases and this is a result of our being a third country and being treated as such by the EU. This is not going to change either. However many other trading blocs we join across the rest of the world and however many trade agreements we might make we are never going to replace the loss of exports/ export value to the EU. Replacing 40% of our exports is too big an ask, ever.

The only mitigation we can have for this is closer alignment with the EU, even, at some point, rejoining the SM & the CU, because it is only by aligning that export restrictions become eased.

We may not rejoin the EU soon, but I wouldn't count it out. With a more trustworthy and rational government it could be a realistic prospect.

Interestingly, something I read recently said that we were now, economically, in much the same position as we were in the 60s when we were desperately trying to join the Common Market...