Who Benefits? Brexit

Cindersdad Your last sentence reflects my own wish for the future. However it happens, I really do hope for "a return to the values that really matter to most of us" - and that does not include mean-minded nationalism, a narrative of British exceptionalism, lying, cronyism and jingoistic flag-waving. It does include open-mindedness, tolerance and an ambition to be fair.

In the long run very few if any (including JRM, Bojo and Co.) will benefit from Brexit. We've relatively small numbers of individuals being destroyed by Brexit and there will be more who will be seriously impacted over the coming months.

We have lost freedom of movement across Europe. Found it much harder to export to the EU. Antagonised many of European friends, divided the country all in the cause of Brexit ideaology. Loss of freedom currently has been masked by Covid so the Brexit effect has not really sunk in.

Between now and the time of the next general election we will have to judge the impact of Brexit. The impact of a right wing government and hopefully by then we should have a credible opposition. Covid and the recent Suez canal blockage may make the country more self reliant.

My hope is that we will rejoin the EU within the next 10 years but not before a lot of damage has been done. The only Brexit bonus will be a rejection of the current Trumpian philosophy and a return to the values that really matter to most of us.

Someone censored me again. Racism against Aussies, clearly.

I didn't ask you to explain Lucca. No explanation was needed or necessary.

There seems to be an attitude among some leave voters that ”things will sort themselves out, we are resourceful, we all have to make it work etc”. I'm afraid I can't be so sanguine about something as problematic as Brexit. One thing that worries me is security. We no longer have access to the EU's criminal database - the Schengen Information System. During the referendum I don't believe security featured at all. We had uninvited visitors from Russia not so long ago near where I live (Salisbury). It is also worrying that we lost our own police records fairly recently. But we are resourceful so let's just hope for the best.

Still no answer to how our grandchildren will benefit.

Kandinsky

Some remainers are still very angry about it all so just like talking about it over & over.
Gransnet ( & other online forums) are probably some sort of outlet to let off steam because no one I know in RL ever mentions brexit.
I think a global pandemic killing millions became a bit more important.

Goodness me! Some of you lot do seem to love gaslighting. Good job you're not a psychoanalyst because you're not very good at it.

I doubt very much if Brexit will be forgotten either. In the long run, it will have a much longer term effect then the pandemic.

Smileless2012

Well it would have been ironic if I'd made a comment on a thread discussing H&M about moaning on and on, but I haven't.

That comment was in relation to this thread about Brexit.

Oh dear. I can’t explain it any more really. You say anti Brexit people just keep moaning on about Brexit and ignore other views. You keep moaning on about h and m and other other views on that

Brexit will be forgotten

I really, really doubt it. This is just wishful thinking...

Gannygangan I don't think that your GCs are going to be affected directly by Brexit other than shortages of some imported food and wine and furniture for their new homes. They are not in business as such, they are not importing or exporting so they won't have a problem.

Great post Gannygangan.

MaizieD, well I hadn’t thought of it like that but you’ve got a point. I won’t roll my eyes in future when Brexit comes up.??

Greta

^”Funny thing is when our grandchildren are married and leading their lives, Brexit won't enter their heads.”^

I don't see it as a 'funny thing' at all. We'll be counting the cost of Brexit for many years to come. Our grandchildren may well wonder what made their grandparents swallow the leave-campaign's lies and submit to something so oviously impractical.

How do you think your grandchildren will benefit?

We don't even know if there will be an EU as is in years to come.

My father fought during WWII. Him and his parents felt life would never be the same again.

I vividly remember my maternal Grandmother saying she had no idea how young people could afford to purchase a home. That was in 1980. We managed

We are but tiny cogs. We are resourceful.

Talking of leave campaign lies, I would like to stick up for people who never wanted to be in the EU, or EEC, was it?, back in the 70s.

There have been Euro sceptics for decades. Nothing to do with the Leave Campaign's promises. So many Brexiters were there right from the word go.

My grandchildren will hopefully be fine. That's all we can hope for.

We are but dust in a way. Tiny cogs with very little importance in the greater scheme of things.

I have 7 young adults in my family. Ages 20-35. None of them seem particularly interested. It happened. They've moved on

Dentistry, law and teaching are occupations. they are either in or studying.

The pandemic will be our biggest story of our lifetimes.

Brexit will be forgotten

Well it would have been ironic if I'd made a comment on a thread discussing H&M about moaning on and on, but I haven't.

That comment was in relation to this thread about Brexit.

Smileless2012

There's no need to "replace the word Brexit with the words Meghan and Harry" Lucca. There's a thread running at the moment where they are discussed and this one is about Brexit.

Obviously I was referring to your comment about moaning on and on. The m and h threads totally disregard any different viewpoint
I thought your comment was ironic.

Having said I haven't had my question answered in 5 years, ie 'Can you tell me one benefit of Brexit?' I finally got an answer!!

The answer seems to be that one benefit of Brexit is no longer needing to talk about it.

I can now sleep much more easily in my bed knowing that that is what we voted for.

Thanks everyone.

PGAgirl is the only Brexiter here who has given what she sees as benefits of Brexit though I do not see any of that as a benefit at all. The rest of the Brexiters here just say it is good but do not say why.
Gannygangan says our grandchildren will have forgotten about it when they are adults. This is nonsense. We all remember when we joined the Common Market and there are some who have campaigned ever since to leave and now got their way. Remainers will continue to campaign to rejoin. Many of our grandchildren are Remainers anyway.

No one is mentioning the catastrophic effect Brexit is having on scientific research, and has been having since the referendum. DD heads a research team at one of our universities and deals with millions of pounds of research grants, mainly from the EU. These grants are being withdrawn, EU students are going home, offers of places on international committees are being quietly withdrawn. She is currently working on improving nutrition for children living in poverty here and abroad. £120 million has been cut from the foreign aid budget for this. £120 million is apparently the cost of the festiaval of Brexit ................................

Peasblossom

Nobody wants to answer my question, What’s the point of going on and on about something that’s a done deal and that you can’t change,

All those people who keep posting stuff about Brexit. What is the point???

I really don’t get it.

Just softening people up for when we're begging to be let back in, Peasblossom.

How do you think we got to this ridiculous position of being out of the EU in the first place? By people going on and on about it, some of them for 40+ years, ever since we first went in.

I think we'll be back in the Single Market and the Customs Union within a few years because we won't be able to recover our economy without it. I think that even business people who voted Leave are beginning to realise that the absence of tariffs (always the cry of the Leave campaigners - ' we'll beable to make tariff free FTAs') isn't the be all and end all of trading arrangements. Non tariff barriers have to be considered and they have come smack up against them, to the serious detriment of their trade with the EU. The EU isn't going to remove these barriers specially for us; the only way they'll be removed is by being back in the SM and the CU.

And our biggest export earner, financial services, is being decimated by firms moving from the UK to thee EU. The City is not pleased...

Anyone who tells you that we can replace all our lost EU trade by deals with the rest of the world, or by joining a trade bloc on the other side of the world, is a complete fantasist. I don't know what their game is, but it isn't beneficial to the UK, that's for sure.

There's no need to "replace the word Brexit with the words Meghan and Harry" Lucca. There's a thread running at the moment where they are discussed and this one is about Brexit.

”Funny thing is when our grandchildren are married and leading their lives, Brexit won't enter their heads.”

I don't see it as a 'funny thing' at all. We'll be counting the cost of Brexit for many years to come. Our grandchildren may well wonder what made their grandparents swallow the leave-campaign's lies and submit to something so oviously impractical.

How do you think your grandchildren will benefit?

PS They don't need to be married of course. Just older and living their lives.

Funny thing is when our grandchildren are married and leading their lives, Brexit won't enter their heads.

They may smile as they recall how outraged their grandparents were about it when they were young

Bit like my father reminiscing about WWII which was before my time.

Namsnanny

......and so it rumbles on and on and on and on and on

Ditto Meghan and Harry threads.

Smileless2012

TBH I "can't be ar$d to engage in arguments about old news" Namsnanny and I "tend to ignore threads like this" because they're all the same, and it doesn't matter what anyone who isn't steeped in the doom and gloom of all things Brexit has to say, the threads and the moaning just carry on anyway.

“ it doesn't matter what anyone who isn't steeped in the doom and gloom of all things Brexit has to say, the threads and the moaning just carry on threads anyway”

Just replace the word Brexit with the words Meghan and Harry .......