The Govenment report on Race and Ethnic Disparities is being called into question on a daily (or more) basis.

I shall treat your post @ 18.56 growstuff with the contempt it deserves.

Katie59

MerylStreep

growstuff we can’t put all black working class boys together.
There is lots of evidence that shows boys with an African background are achieving far higher than boys with a Caribbean background.

That is because they are not in the Afrocarribbean culture they are are the brightest and best from many places, they know real poverty. They have risked their life many times to get to the UK, they are living their dream, however menial that is, it’s far far better than their homeland.

That is a massive generalisation.

MerylStreep

growstuff we can’t put all black working class boys together.
There is lots of evidence that shows boys with an African background are achieving far higher than boys with a Caribbean background.

That is because they are not in the Afrocarribbean culture they are are the brightest and best from many places, they know real poverty. They have risked their life many times to get to the UK, they are living their dream, however menial that is, it’s far far better than their homeland.

Growstuff, Nope. I said that in both my posts and also said I was speaking anecdotally. I am also not right wing, never voted Conservative. I don't have an "agenda" either but I did spend some number of years in the race relations industry in the 90's (and yes it is an industry) which heightened my awareness of the tensions. TBH I just want to be as open minded as I can be and I want my grandchildren and their children etc to grow up in a fair and equitable society. My own very humble view is that my small contribution is to question things rather than just accept them because they come from the left. Perhaps Sewell has a point of view worth considering, perhaps he doesn't but I find it interesting that so many people jump on a band wagon without giving it much thought at all. Just how I feel, so really of little importance in the great scheme of things.

Aveline

I thought this report was into institutional racism. It seems to me that bigger 'institutions' such as NHS or police forces have all sorts of equality and diversity programmes and are at least trying to do their best. However, in ordinary life, racism can be experienced in a variety of settings.
There's nothing wrong in saying that families and educational opportunities help its just that there's more to it than that.

Exactly! It's more about what's not in the so-called report than what's in it.

If people has actually read the report rather than cherry picking a couple of quotes, they'd know that.

This isn't a report in the accepted sense of the word. It's a list of intended changes which the writers and their string-pullers had already decided needed to be introduced based on right-wing ideology.

Another meaningless and sycophantic post Smileless.

Have you read the report foxie?

MerylStreep

growstuff we can’t put all black working class boys together.
There is lots of evidence that shows boys with an African background are achieving far higher than boys with a Caribbean background.

I'm not disputing that.

Have you read the report?

well whether you call it institutional racism or not, something's not right.
here's two different recent examples.
why does that not happen to a white person in the same circumstances...i wonder.

www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/investigation-launched-after-black-barrister-mistaken-for-defendant/5105752.article

www.theguardian.com/law/2020/dec/19/court-service-apologises-after-black-barrister-assumed-to-be-defendant

Surely the worry is the people who are claiming not to have been consulted. The general public aren't going to go down the list of names and work out who did what. They will just take everything the government says at face value.

Who is Tony Sewell? Controversial chair of the Race and Ethnic Disparities Commission behind major review

His appointment to the role in June 2020 was criticised by the Muslim Council of Britain who argued that Dr Sewell was “keen on downplaying race disparities”.

Prior to working on the race commission, Dr Sewell was chairman of Boris Johnson’s Education Inquiry panel when the now-Prime Minister was Mayor of London.

During his time with Mr Johnson, Dr Sewell oversaw the creation of the London Schools Excellence Fund, which helps London schools achieve top grades.

But he has previously been criticised for his comments on race and the LGBT community.

Here

growstuff we can’t put all black working class boys together.
There is lots of evidence that shows boys with an African background are achieving far higher than boys with a Caribbean background.

It appears that Johnson is now stepping back from the report, disagreeing with parts of it.

Bit odd as it was commissioned by the government and it will have been read by the appropriate minister before its release.

I thought this report was into institutional racism. It seems to me that bigger 'institutions' such as NHS or police forces have all sorts of equality and diversity programmes and are at least trying to do their best. However, in ordinary life, racism can be experienced in a variety of settings.
There's nothing wrong in saying that families and educational opportunities help its just that there's more to it than that.

Another good post foxie

A foreword to the report by chairman Tony Sewell, an education consultant and ex-charity boss, said: "We no longer see a Britain where the system is deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities."

While the "impediments and disparities do exist", it continued, they were "varied and ironically very few of them are directly to do with racism".

The report added that evidence had found that factors such as geography, family influence, socio-economic background, culture and religion had "more significant impact on life chances than the existence of racism".

"That said, we take the reality of racism seriously and we do not deny that it is a real force in the UK."

The report also said there is an "increasingly strident form of anti-racism thinking that seeks to explain all minority disadvantage through the prism of white discrimination" which it said diverted attention from "the other reasons for minority success and failure".
The above is, I understand an actual extract from the report. FWIW I am not saying there is no institutional racism in the UK, I am not saying I agree with the report (I have not read it) I am, however, concerned that concluding that all minority disadvantage has it's roots in institutional racism is potentially harmful so I am trying to take a balanced view. As I said in my previous post, Sewell is a controversial figure who is not afraid to go against grain.

Have you read it Smileless or foxie?

I've just read it in its entirety:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/974507/20210331_-_CRED_Report_-_FINAL_-_Web_Accessible.pdf

My conclusion is that it's not a genuine "report" starting from a neutral start point and considering a range of views. It's confirmation of a pre-existing agenda based on a Conservative ideology and reads more like a party political manifesto.

Smileless2012

"My understanding is that the report says that there has been progress in reducing institutional racism but also talks about where there needs to be improvements" so still a way to go but at least some progress is being made.

A good post foxie.

Why's it a good post?

What about black working class boys?

How come black people are over represented in poor groups and in low paid jobs?

This is divisive pandering to red wall voters in the Tories' own culture war.

How come people like "Jean" exist?

What do people understand by the term "institutional racism"?

Smileless2012 why don’t you read the report for yourself?

Does it actually say that Blossoming or is foxie correct that the report says there's been progress made in reducing institutional racism?

It beggars belief that the report concludes there is no institutional racism. Whoever wrote this has a massive blind spot.

The report hasn't said there's "no racism in the UK".

Its a bit of a coincidence that a government appointed committee comes out with a report which says exactly what the government wants to hear. No racism in the UK.? Well that’s alright then.