The Conservatives have claimed Good Friday

Agedp1953, Callistemon, Anniebach my question was "would they (the Conservatives) have ended up claiming them as their own in a couple of thousand years, do you think?"

That's 2000 years of building up the story, painting him as something very, very special and talking to an audience who really have no idea of the history of our time. I think, if he had become a popular figure to follow, the remaining right-wing could indeed be trying to claim him - it would, after all, be nothing new.

Not IMO.

I think you will find that is a comparison Smileless.

Corbyn and Jesus king of The Jews

No that's incorrect Pippa. lemongrove posted yesterday @ 15.37 "he wasn't a sort of holy Jeremy Corbyn". She didn't compare Jesus to a "holy Jeremy Corbyn" she said he wasn't.

Agedp that made me laugh, I take it you were speaking metaphorically in terms of Corbyn's political career "ever coming back from the dead".

Agedp1953

PippaZ
I can’t see Corbyn ever coming back from the ‘dead’.

And Corbyn had about as much passion as a stuffed mouse!

PippaZ
I can’t see Corbyn ever coming back from the ‘dead’.

Passing thought: Earlier in the thread someone compared Jesus to a "holy Jeremy Corbyn". If Corbyn had been assassinated by the right, as a threat to their power, would they have ended up claiming them as their own in a couple of thousand years, do you think?

That's okay then. It just means your irrelevance is my comparison which I thought might be interesting for others, but I should have put it as a separate point so as not to confuse.

No neither did I, but as this thread started with a tweet made by a UK politician and as far as I can remember the responses have focused on UK politicians and political parties, I didn't see the relevance of the link.

I didn't see anything in the OP that said we couldn't compare the Conservatives and Christianity to what was happening in the US Smileless. I'm afraid I missed that.

It's an acceptable definition to me growstuff or I wouldn't have used it.

The link though refers to politics and religion in the US and this thread was about UK politics and religion.

I think if you look at the OP it's relevant. Perhaps I should have put it on a separate post.

Agedp1953

PippaZ
I don’t understand why you have put a link on your reply to far right republican Christianity. What on earth did that have to do with the discussion you’ve having with Smileless?

Maybe because the thread is about the relationship between politics and religion.

Foreign individuals weren't just included in your definition of rentier capitalism:

"Rentier capitalism in current political/science and international-relations theory, is a state which derives all, or a substantial portion of its national revenues from the rent paid by foreign individuals, concerns or governments."

According to that definition, foreign individuals provide all or a substantial part as rent. That is not the defining characteristic of rentier capitalism and misses entirely what it's all about. Whether the individuals concerned are foreign or not is irrelevant.

I don't know where your definition came from, but it's just not the accepted one.

I thought it was irrelevant to the discussion too Agedp.

I was too growstuff but there you go. To be accused of not showing another poster tolerance, when time was spent putting together a detailed response which included answering questions asked, for me is personal criticism.

"Foreign individuals don't necessarily form part of it, although of course some do" exactly, which is why they are included in the definition I used.

PippaZ
I don’t understand why you have put a link on your reply to far right republican Christianity. What on earth did that have to do with the discussion you’ve having with Smileless?

Yes I am a non believer but was finding it interesting. It would be a shame if it didnt continue.

"Can you tell me where you offer the same tolerance to me?"

I'll leave this discussion with you there.

PS. Pippa's definition of rentier capitalism is the one I've always understood. Foreign individuals don't necessarily form part of it, although of course some do.

I am neither a Christian nor a Conservative, but I was finding the discussion interesting. I didn't see any personal criticism from Pippa.

What personal criticism? None was intended.

That's a shame Pippa as I thought we'd moved onto an intelligent and informed discussion free of personal criticism.

I spent a great deal of time going through your post @ 11.10 to give a thoughtful and respectful response which I believe I have done.

If you are unable or unwilling to to carry on this discussion without extending the same courtesy I shall not engage with you any further on this thread.

I don't agree with you and you do not agree with me. However, I still insist you have the right to hold your views. Can you tell me where you offer the same tolerance to me?

It appears that you and I have a different definition of "rentier capitalism". I would describe it more as Brett Christophers does in his book "Who Owns the Economy, and Who Pays for It?"

How did Britain’s economy become a bastion of inequality?
In this landmark book, the author of The New Enclosure provides a forensic examination and sweeping critique of early-twenty-first-century capitalism. Brett Christophers styles this as ‘rentier capitalism’, in which ownership of key types of scarce assets - such as land, intellectual property, natural resources, or digital platforms - is all-important and dominated by a few unfathomably wealthy companies and individuals: rentiers. If a small elite owns today’s economy, everybody else foots the bill. Nowhere is this divergence starker, Christophers shows, than in the United Kingdom, where the prototypical ills of rentier capitalism - vast inequalities combined with entrenched economic stagnation - are on full display and have led the country inexorably to the precipice of Brexit. With profound lessons for other countries subject to rentier dominance, Christophers’ examination of the UK case is indispensable to those wanting not just to understand this insidious economic phenomenon but to overcome it. Frequently invoked but never previously analysed and illuminated in all its depth and variety, rentier capitalism is here laid bare for the first time.

So I was talking about a small elite owning and the rest paying. I certainly think this can be compared first century society in Palestine and other times when the state or state religion have become corrupted by a few.

It seems that the US Christians are objecting to their faith being taken over and used for far-right Conservative political purposes too -
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/05/americans-religion-rightwing-politics-decline