The Conservatives have claimed Good Friday

I have a little theory too Pippa do not ascribe to Jesus anything that he didn't say of didn't stand for. Murphy was quoted on this thread as saying that Jesus was an "economic reformer"; he wasn't.

As for wider reading, for my Christian faith I have no further to look than the Bible but I can assure you I am well read.

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WWM2 said what she thought about the various parties' Easter tweets but I think there's something else that is jumping right out at me about the images.

None of them are overtly Christian.

We've got pictures of eggs and lambs and blossom, all symbolic of the Spring festival associated with Eostre and not really part of a Christian Easter. More pictures attached.

In fact the only Christian one is the one from Tory Minister Zadawi on Good Friday.

PippaZ Just to be clear, Lemongrove's post I was referring to was 15:32:53. Maybe you should be careful before throwing unfounded accusations at other posters. I would never suggest anyone was lying! But it would seem 'faux outrage' means something different to you than to me.
As I said, I don't think politicians should be posting anything religious at all.

MaizieD Completely agree with your post 17.30.08. I remember the time when we couldn't go out to play on Good Friday but had to stay in doors and do quiet things like reading and jigsaws.

I've always thought the man's an idiot and his tweet has reinforced my opinion of him.

Lucca

PippaZ

Lucca

Eazybee if you’re a christian fine to wish people good Friday but no need for the conservative logo added, surely ?

Would any Christian wish other people "Good Friday". Oh, come on guys, this is the day they believe that Christ died and at this point, no one could be sure he would rise from the dead. I seriously don't think so.

Why would Nadhim Zahawi even do that? It's despicable. Today is the day Christians celebrate the resurrection to the eternal life of the man who, to quote Richard Murphy (a Quaker), "campaigned for economic justice for the poor, the forgiveness of their oppressive debts, and for monetary reform."

Again, to quote Murphy "Jesus was an economic reform campaigner. He died four days after he overturned the tables of the money changers in the Temple."

How dare, simply how dare, Conservatives try to claim either Jesus or Christianity! I see he has done the same for Easter Sunday. At the very least this shows an appalling knowledge of our history, based for centuries on Christianity. A best it is insulting to those whose day of celebration this is.

I apologised immediately for typing too fast When what I meant was it’s ok to mark/recognise/acknowledge good Friday but not to associate it with party logo.

Whereas political party wishing happy Easter etc is ok. There is a difference .

Indeed Lucca. It's probably my apology that is needed then as I didn't start reading the thread until I came on this afternoon so I was replying to early posts when you had, almost certainly, explained by then.

Chestnut

PippaZ You must be reading a lot of things between the lines of my post because I don't have a clue what you're talking about. I never called anyone a liar, or said they can't express their views. Although you seem to be telling me I can't express my views! ?

Lemongroves last post before yours was "My thoughts are that you should give it a rest.". I don't think it was unreasonable to think you were agreeing with that with your "Well said Lemongrove."; you didn't refer to any particular post.

I disagree with various views and agree with others. I do not, unlike you, suggest my fellow posters are lying which is easily how "faux outrage" could be interpreted. I do wonder if personal attacks on other posters in this way is within talk guidelines.

PippaZ

Lucca

Eazybee if you’re a christian fine to wish people good Friday but no need for the conservative logo added, surely ?

Would any Christian wish other people "Good Friday". Oh, come on guys, this is the day they believe that Christ died and at this point, no one could be sure he would rise from the dead. I seriously don't think so.

Why would Nadhim Zahawi even do that? It's despicable. Today is the day Christians celebrate the resurrection to the eternal life of the man who, to quote Richard Murphy (a Quaker), "campaigned for economic justice for the poor, the forgiveness of their oppressive debts, and for monetary reform."

Again, to quote Murphy "Jesus was an economic reform campaigner. He died four days after he overturned the tables of the money changers in the Temple."

How dare, simply how dare, Conservatives try to claim either Jesus or Christianity! I see he has done the same for Easter Sunday. At the very least this shows an appalling knowledge of our history, based for centuries on Christianity. A best it is insulting to those whose day of celebration this is.

I apologised immediately for typing too fast When what I meant was it’s ok to mark/recognise/acknowledge good Friday but not to associate it with party logo.

Whereas political party wishing happy Easter etc is ok. There is a difference .

PippaZ You must be reading a lot of things between the lines of my post because I don't have a clue what you're talking about. I never called anyone a liar, or said they can't express their views. Although you seem to be telling me I can't express my views! ?

Mollygo

I won’t look at this thread anymore, not even to see if my post has been deleted.

Political parties have posters associating them with a Happy Easter message , regardless of whether they are Christian or not, but none of them offer the vilification of each other’s party that you can read on here.
Happy and peaceful Easter to those who want one.

You, and several others, are totally missing the point. Totally missing the point, despite being told several times what the point is.

NOBODY has any problem with politicians offering greetings to people from any religion on their great FESTIVALS.

Good Friday, as has also been said several times, Is NOT a festival. It's a very solemn and meaningful day in the christian calendar and a day of mourning. Does anyone go up to someone attending a funeral and say 'Happy Burial' to them?

Easter Sunday is the happy bit, when Christ rose from the dead. That's when the greetings are offered.

There is absolutely no similarity between politicians saying 'Happy Easter' and politicians tweeting bizarre pictures of an empty cross with 'GOOD Friday' and the party logo on it.

Chestnut

Well said Lemongrove. This thread is all about faux outrage. Both parties have posted religious messages and I don't think either of them should. But of course Labour can do no wrong for some people, while the Conservatives are always guilty of something. It's laughable.
I just wonder why any of them are posting religious messages. They run the risk of annoying a lot of people. They should all keep away from religion.

Do you really think it is okay to accuse other members of the forum of not telling the truth about how they feel? All parties have NOT posted in the same way, but even if you think they have it is not your place to tell others they cannot feel how they feel. The other parties sent good wishes on festivals. That was not the case here and your defense, although you have every right to make it, does ring a little hollow.

I think some need to stop calling others what amounts to liars and let people express their own views.

" Both parties "?

I can count six without even trying.....

Well said Lemongrove. This thread is all about faux outrage. Both parties have posted religious messages and I don't think either of them should. But of course Labour can do no wrong for some people, while the Conservatives are always guilty of something. It's laughable.
I just wonder why any of them are posting religious messages. They run the risk of annoying a lot of people. They should all keep away from religion.

Smileless2012

Richard Murphy is wrong. Jesus wasn't a social reformer His mission was to teach us about God's love. He preached about giving to the poor and when He overturned the tables in the temple it had nothing to do with economic reform, but everything to do with His father's house being disrespected.

"My house shall be called a house of prayer but you have made it a den of robbers" Matthew 21 v 13.

I suggest you read a little wider Smileless before you start telling other they are "wrong". Try and forgive them their debts: Lending, Foreclosure and Redemption From Bronze Age Finance to the Jubilee Year (THE TYRANNY OF DEBT Book 1) by Michael Hudson.

I have a little theory that unless I know everything about something I should not tell others they know nothing. As I will never know everything about whatever I study I find that make you entitled to your view. However, it would be a little less graceless, both divine and otherwise to allow others their own point of view too.

Could someone please explain to me what position posters hold on here that puts them so above others? I hadn't realised there is a hierarchy.

Aren't people are allowed to comment on their thoughts and feelings without being described in various ways as untruthful on here. Or is this the Gransnet way - not adding to the discussion but attacking the beliefs and feelings of others?

Alegrias1

That's not very Christian.

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I suspect that the majority of the population are secular, so I guess it is talking to a minority of the population.

That's not very Christian.

My thoughts are that you should give it a rest.

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I just did a trawl of the main parties' twitters (Its a slow day in the Alegrias household....)

Images attached. Tory one is in my previous post.

Thoughts?

It happened to be Good Friday when he tweeted the pic.
So what. Haven’t posters who feel aggrieved by it anything more important to worry about.Obviously not.

Lemongrove, wrong end of the stick completely. For me its got nothing to do with offence, not being a Christian its not for me to tell anyone to be offended or not.

Its about branding a religious festival with a political party logo. Here's a link to Johnson's Easter message. Very nice, very respectful. He says to people "Happy Easter". Very appropriate messaging during a pandemic.
twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1378610899926331394

Even this : twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1378618339648487425 : "Happy Easter" they say.

But just "Good Friday. Conservatives"? And a picture of the cross? Its not all about the Conservatives. Its about Easter. Someone needs to tell Zahawi that.

Exactly Smileless he wasn’t a sort of holy Jeremy Corbyn,
He was simply trying to spread the message of God’s love. When people complained about paying taxes and so on, the message was pay unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and pay unto God that which is God’s.

Mollygo

I won’t look at this thread anymore, not even to see if my post has been deleted.

Political parties have posters associating them with a Happy Easter message , regardless of whether they are Christian or not, but none of them offer the vilification of each other’s party that you can read on here.
Happy and peaceful Easter to those who want one.

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Well said Mollygo
Hard to believe that a thread like this would even be started, let alone the many vituperative and gleeful comments about
A Conservative MP who ‘dares’ to put out a message ( even though we can all see the many messages put out by Labour both for Easter and other special days for different faiths.)
You would think he had done something terrible, instead of just acknowledging an important day in the Christian calendar. It’s all faux outrage ( typical of social media) and is just political point scoring from those who vote for different political parties.
If any Christian feels ‘offended’ by it then they need to grow a pair.I’m a Christian and we don’t offend easily in my experience, compared to other faiths.

Richard Murphy is wrong. Jesus wasn't a social reformer His mission was to teach us about God's love. He preached about giving to the poor and when He overturned the tables in the temple it had nothing to do with economic reform, but everything to do with His father's house being disrespected.

"My house shall be called a house of prayer but you have made it a den of robbers" Matthew 21 v 13.