A year of Starmer What do you think?

So who should replace him? If he’s so awful there has to be an alternative that the voting public will vote for.

He’s not untrustworthy in the eyes of most voters, although he has not fulfilled what the left of the party had pledged to do. Those are different things.

Annie, I'm afraid you are not going to get a reply to your Labour PM query.

No trisher I dont speak for everyone strangely enough, it would be so good if I did but we cant have everything we want, the statistics/info suggests that the majority of people only think about politics for 4 minutes, not just the red wall voters. So when I refer to everyone I refer to the majority of voters.
I dont think he is untrustworthy trisher, you do I dont. I thought Corbyn was not very bright, anti EU, very poor on anti semitism and on supporting women, you would disagree. Either would be preferable to Johnson.

Galaxy

Long bailey only if you dont care about winning.
I am talking about everyone trisher, all voters, and that includes the red wall voters, of which I am one. Arms supply and the process within the labour party arent a priority for the majority of people.

I see Galaxy you now speak for everyone1 at least I realise that I can properly present only my own views. I did ask you what the 'nonsense' you thought he needed to stand up to was, but no response. So I'll ask this-Do you really think someone who has broken promises, lied, and refused to investigate wrongdoing is such a trustworthy person?

Long bailey only if you dont care about winning.
I am talking about everyone trisher, all voters, and that includes the red wall voters, of which I am one. Arms supply and the process within the labour party arent a priority for the majority of people.

So who should be party leader? Long Bailey perhaps?

The only reason anyone would imagine Starmer is trustworthy is because he says so little. If you judge by his actions he is as devious and as dishonest as a £6 note.

It's always been assumed that working people didn't care about arms supply- by the Tories! The evidence has always been that they actually do they just haven't believed politicians would do anything about it (and I'm always being accused of denigrating people in the Red Wall!)
But the evidence is that trustworthy really doesn't matter (or have I missed something?)

And if he doesnt make the party electable (and there needs to be a reasonable length of time to judge this) then I will happily wave him off. If people cant see the importance of a labour government of any type compared to the current government (who I dont even class as conservatives in the true sense of the word) then they have been asleep for the last year.

I think you’d be surprised trisher. People are not as disinterested as you are assuming. Galaxy is right, most people don’t think about politics a lot, but they do know what they don’t like, and they do know who Starmer is and that he’s trying to rebuild the Labour Party. Most importantly they think he is trustworthy, which is a big step forward.

I dont know how to break this to you but arms supply and the process within the party are of absolutely no relevance to pretty much the majority of the country let alone those who might vote labour. I think it is 4 minutes per week that the majority of voters spend thinking about politics. None of those will be spent worrying about the process within the party.

I must admit I’ve been pleasantly surprised to see on this thread how positive most people have been about Starmer, and I think that’s how many of the public feel too.
Most of the public wouldn't know who he is!

trisher you speak of the red wall as if it’s an amorphous mass. It isn’t, and a relatively small swing in many seats would return to a Labour majority. Put it this way, many of them voted for Tony Blair, many of them disliked Jeremy Corbyn. Brexit is old news now, and people are beginning to see the impacts for themselves so there’s a good chance that they won’t vote for the Tories next time.

I must admit I’ve been pleasantly surprised to see on this thread how positive most people have been about Starmer, and I think that’s how many of the public feel too.

I though he was a tory in disguise.

Galaxy

I think he has an enormous amount of work to do. Anyone thinking this could be done in a year is deluded. I hope he is strong enough to stand up to the nonsense, I worry that he may not be but we will see. I suspect as I have said endlessly that he will not be PM but will move the party to being electable.

Could you list what you consider the "nonsense"? Does it include human rights? The need to comply with UN regulations about arms supply? proper due process within the party? suspending left wing Jews like Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi?

I agree he does have gravitas and appeal - and he is the type of thinker who cuts through the waffle
But none of these qualities appealed to the Red wall in 2019. In fact it is entirely the opposite which did so. Short catchy statements, a few buzz words, seem to be what is required. As for gravitas Really !!??

Galaxy

I think he has an enormous amount of work to do. Anyone thinking this could be done in a year is deluded. I hope he is strong enough to stand up to the nonsense, I worry that he may not be but we will see. I suspect as I have said endlessly that he will not be PM but will move the party to being electable.

You could be right Galaxy. I don't know enough about the Labour Party to guess who could then lead them to election.

Ilovecheese

PippaZ

Ilovecheese

It looks to me that he doesn't care what the party members think, because their approval is not what will win him an election. What will help him is convincing the people that voted Conservative that he shares their values.

I will ask you too Ilovecheese. Would you like the Labour Party under Starmer to win?

I don't know yet because I don't know what the policies are under Keir Starmer. If he wants to keep at least some of the policies that were in the last manifesto then yes, I would want the labour Party to win.
If they want to be more Tory than the Tories, then no.

That is very much how I feel Ilovecheese. I think this year has been useful in some ways but I do hope we start to see a flowering of policy direction. I suppose that will depend on where Covid takes us to some degree but even disruption can become "the normal" after a while and then we have to move forward.

I expect I am at the other end to you though. I would like a centre-left government and I will have up and down worries about the power of the unions. Big money and deceit in the Tory party make me think we need them but I dislike any party being in the hands of the piper means I would rather they didn't have so much power. I may have to accept that is an all-round given in any party and they may be able to update more than they have done in the recent past and appeal to a bigger audience.

Ngaio1

Anyone had to be better that the last leader. I think he has the gravitas to appeal to many people. He certainly worked with the Prime Minister over Covid and for the good of the country by not making snide political points. (Are you listening, |Nicola?).

I agree he does have gravitas and appeal - and he is the type of thinker who cuts through the waffle - Ngaio1, but it is too soon, annoyingly but because of Covid, to see where he - as their elected leader - will position the party. It is going to be interesting to find out.

PippaZ

Ilovecheese

It looks to me that he doesn't care what the party members think, because their approval is not what will win him an election. What will help him is convincing the people that voted Conservative that he shares their values.

I will ask you too Ilovecheese. Would you like the Labour Party under Starmer to win?

I don't know yet because I don't know what the policies are under Keir Starmer. If he wants to keep at least some of the policies that were in the last manifesto then yes, I would want the labour Party to win.
If they want to be more Tory than the Tories, then no.

I think he has an enormous amount of work to do. Anyone thinking this could be done in a year is deluded. I hope he is strong enough to stand up to the nonsense, I worry that he may not be but we will see. I suspect as I have said endlessly that he will not be PM but will move the party to being electable.

trisher

PippaZ I don't see much point in a party which chucks the baby out with the bath water and that seems to be what Starmer is doing. He has contravened so many of the basics of the LP. I hoped he would unite the party but he seems determined to destroy it and its values.

So you don't want the LP to win under Starmer. I will now disregard all your posts just as I do with all the pro Tory posts,
and look for the ones that add to my knowledge.

I am not sure you see, and I am keeping an open mind. Closed ones do not help.

trisher I asked who was the last far left Labour PM, not who in your opinion would make a future far left PM

Anyone had to be better that the last leader. I think he has the gravitas to appeal to many people. He certainly worked with the Prime Minister over Covid and for the good of the country by not making snide political points. (Are you listening, |Nicola?).