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A year of Starmer What do you think?

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Grany Tue 06-Apr-21 12:38:38

A piece by Jonathan Cook an award winning journalist

www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/keir-starmer-cautious-tearing-uk-labour-party-apart

I suppose Starmer's poll ratings could improve

suziewoozie Sun 09-May-21 00:09:15

Owen Jones blocked me on Twitter. It is a badge of honour. He is beyond awful.

Galaxy Sat 08-May-21 23:00:42

Perhaps look at writings by Suzanne Moore, Julie Bindel, Janice Turner or pop over to MN.

Gannygangan Sat 08-May-21 22:58:28

Well I have never heard him refer to as a misogynist before and after a brief search couldn't find much evidence.

He's tweeted today in support of Angela Rayner

And I found this article. But there's not an abundance of evidence. Maybe you can find more when you get a minute

uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/hateful-transphobes-pile-gay-journalist-120503650.html

Galaxy Sat 08-May-21 22:47:42

Yes an absolute misogynist. He spends a large part of his Twitter life encouraging pile ons on the women who disagree with him. I am afraid you dont know him well if you dont know about how many many women feel about him. Crikey mention owen Jones on the feminist section of MN and see the response.

Casdon Sat 08-May-21 22:44:53

Galaxy I agree - to quote my mum, ‘He’s more mouth than trousers’.

Gannygangan Sat 08-May-21 22:43:35

I like him! I used to find him irritating but he's improved a lot and I find him interesting and personable. He makes some very good points.

He's a misogynist? Are we talking about the same person?

His million+ followers on Twitter can't all be there because they hate him.

Galaxy Sat 08-May-21 22:37:53

Because hes so awful. The left hate him because he tried to dump Corbyn, the centre think he is the worst of that part of the party and women dislike him because he is complete misogynist. I just cant imagine who you think he would appeal to.

grannyrebel7 Sat 08-May-21 22:35:22

Starmer's only been a politician for a few years, so he doesn't have much experience. He may improve with time, but he needs to get tougher. It's not a good time for party politics at the moment, so he's not in a good place. I think he's a decent, honest guy and we need to give him a chance, but whether he's the man for the job I'm not sure he's dynamic enough. Personally, I like Andy Burnham and would've liked him to be leader.

Gannygangan Sat 08-May-21 22:32:15

Galaxy

Oh my God I have found the only people in the world who like Owen Jones. I mean this is satire surely.

You found me before I was lost.

What is satirical about it?

Galaxy Sat 08-May-21 22:30:11

Oh my God I have found the only people in the world who like Owen Jones. I mean this is satire surely.

Blossoming Sat 08-May-21 22:05:13

Agree*Callistemon*. I don’t think OJ has the staying power.

Callistemon Sat 08-May-21 21:55:03

Owen Jones? No.

Although perhaps leader of the breakaway Labour1900 Party? He may appeal to the few but not the majority needed to win an election.

Blossoming Sat 08-May-21 21:32:26

That’s what I said Lin52 and got a ticking off!

Grany Sat 08-May-21 21:31:42

Gannygangan

I really like Owen Jones.

He has calmed down and now puts across some excellent points

Maybe he could go into politics.

Someone mentioned politics isn't a popularity contest but I think in many ways, it is.

How someone speaks, presents themselves, looks. These things all matter to a lot of people. And yes, of course it should just be on the manifesto and what people look like is irrelevant but in today's society it does matter

Charisma is important as well. People who don't take politics particularly seriously will notice if a politician is charismatic. And they'll vote for them.

Boris and Corbyn buck the trend but Corbyn held an appeal for the youth.

Boris exudes optimism and can be amusing

I'm no fan of Boris but I think that unless Keir gets replaced before the next election they'll go down like a lead balloon.

I always thought that Andy Burnham would have beaten Theresa May.

Maybe he'll stand in time for the next election.

Yes agree with you Owen Jones has calmed down interviewed many on his YouTube channel.

Lin52 Sat 08-May-21 21:14:06

Grany

A piece by Jonathan Cook an award winning journalist

www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/keir-starmer-cautious-tearing-uk-labour-party-apart

I suppose Starmer's poll ratings could improve

Won’t bother.

Gannygangan Sat 08-May-21 21:03:33

I really like Owen Jones.

He has calmed down and now puts across some excellent points

Maybe he could go into politics.

Someone mentioned politics isn't a popularity contest but I think in many ways, it is.

How someone speaks, presents themselves, looks. These things all matter to a lot of people. And yes, of course it should just be on the manifesto and what people look like is irrelevant but in today's society it does matter

Charisma is important as well. People who don't take politics particularly seriously will notice if a politician is charismatic. And they'll vote for them.

Boris and Corbyn buck the trend but Corbyn held an appeal for the youth.

Boris exudes optimism and can be amusing

I'm no fan of Boris but I think that unless Keir gets replaced before the next election they'll go down like a lead balloon.

I always thought that Andy Burnham would have beaten Theresa May.

Maybe he'll stand in time for the next election.

Anniebach Sat 08-May-21 20:52:48

She can’t be sacked as deputy leader

PippaZ Sat 08-May-21 20:32:19

She hasn't been sacked as Deputy Leader - that may be enough of a job for one person - I have no idea.

Callistemon Sat 08-May-21 20:21:55

It seems a bit of a knee-jerk reaction unless there is another reason than poor results

Anniebach Sat 08-May-21 20:19:47

Sacked as party chair and national campaign coordinator

Grany Sat 08-May-21 20:09:26

Angela Rayner sacked Really Why is she sacked?

Anniebach Sat 08-May-21 20:04:25

Angela Rayner sacked

Grany Sat 08-May-21 19:49:53

Well Said EV

Keir Starmer's EMBARRASSING Response To Election Disaster
m.youtube.com/watch?v=5sdceyFliXk

EllanVannin Fri 07-May-21 17:07:11

It was enough for me when Starmer was head of the CPS that in 2010 Ian Tomlinson was beaten to the ground by a police officer during a protest resulting in the death of the man.

Starmer then personally announced that no charges would be brought against the officer ! What a good job the family acted on it. Even the first pathologist was dodgy and gave false information on the cause of death.

I think many will remember this millionaire with 2 properties when he was a QC in the CPS----not everyone's cup of tea and certainly not Labour leader material for the working class, what a laugh.

Ilovecheese Fri 07-May-21 16:32:46

So after these results today, it will be interesting to see where he is in another year.

I am still not sure that alienating the left wing of the party is a winning strategy, but we shall see. He seems to be saying that the Labour party has changed, but just not changed enough.
I still don't know what he means or what he stands for.
I wish he was doing better, but I also wish he would demote Rachel Reeves.