A year of Starmer What do you think?

Andrew Grice, wrote in the Independent-

"A progressive alliance between Labour and the Lib Dems would strike fear into the Tories. Keir Starmer might soon have to make his mind up – pressure for reform is building in the Labour grassroots,"

In today's "i" there was a full page article claiming "Divisions on the left are deepening. Attempts to form a grand coalition will only benefit the Tories"

I was amused and rather pleased to see that this article was by Mark Wallace, the chief executive of the "ConservativeHome" website.

varian

If Keir Starmer were to champion democracy and make electoral reform a key policy, the Labour Party could save us all from the unelected dictatorship by a right-wing cabal going on and on in perpetuity.

If Keir Starmer were to champion anything it would be a start.

If Keir Starmer were to champion democracy and make electoral reform a key policy, the Labour Party could save us all from the unelected dictatorship by a right-wing cabal going on and on in perpetuity.

The people who did not agree with the policies of Jeremy Corbyn were furious that other members of the Labour party supported him and his policies. They encouraged others to work against the democratically elected leader and to undermine him at every opportunity.
They are now furious that not everyone supports the current leader.

The current Conservative administration have certainly brought out policies (furlough, Nationalisation of the rail network) which would have been torn to shreds had they been suggested by the Labour party.

Callistemon

^Just before the GE the LP's policies were put before various focus groups, without the origins being disclosed. In general the focus groups approved them until they were told that they were LP policies, at which point the group members rapidly went off them. MSM at that time rubbished those policies and claimed that they hadn't been properly checked financially. Ironically, Johnson has hi-jacked many of those policies with no one claiming that they wud be too expensive.^

So are you saying that right-wing Johnson has hijacked many of the policies of Corbyn who was too left-wing for most voters?

Or have I misunderstood?

These are just my thoughts about where we are after "a year of Starmer" and almost two years of Johnson. They will change - I'm not wedded to them for life.

I have never thought the policies of Corbyn were too left-wing, partly because that is just another of those Tory phrases that have no real meaning. I did find their presentation and the way the LP works almost post-war though. I don't think most none members want to see all the administrative stuff that goes on at conferences, for instance. I admit that the Tories are to the other extreme in theirs though unless you need the supposedly rousing speeches telling you about the new "regime". I also think some people (including me) have a hard time with the power of the unions - although I understand why Labour needs them.

It's a conundrum. The Tories were well past their sell-by date for many young people but the way they have re-invented themselves is terrifying. Labour was trying to reinvent itself pre-Starmer.

I keep wishing the Lib Dems would drop the Liberal bit and just call themselves Democrats and that they would join with the Greens under that name. You could say "what's in a name" but I think there is a lot. Both "Labour" which needed Momentum to grab the young, and "Conservative", which was outdated when I was 20 and has now been taken over by this far-right Tory party could, I believe, lose to a party of Democracy.

Wandering thoughts so if you want to be rude or shout, don't bother - I will ignore you. If you want to play with my thoughts and tell me how you see it, I would love that.

Dinahmo

Callistemon Yes

How enigmatic

Didn’t work out good for Corbyn did it, worse general election
result since 1935

Starmer’s Darkest Days: He Is Simply Not Good Enough

Rachel Swindon Blog

rachaelswindon.blogspot.com/2021/05/starmers-darkest-days-he-simply-isnt.html?spref=tw

Blair and Mandelson those on the right said don't vote for Corbyn. Do vote for Starmer Didn't work out very good so far has it.

Callistemon Yes

Just before the GE the LP's policies were put before various focus groups, without the origins being disclosed. In general the focus groups approved them until they were told that they were LP policies, at which point the group members rapidly went off them. MSM at that time rubbished those policies and claimed that they hadn't been properly checked financially. Ironically, Johnson has hi-jacked many of those policies with no one claiming that they wud be too expensive.

So are you saying that right-wing Johnson has hijacked many of the policies of Corbyn who was too left-wing for most voters?

Or have I misunderstood?

He's a joke - Nothing more to say.

I watched Blair on GMB this morning. When talking about KS he said that Labour had had only 3 extreme left wing leaders, each of whom had lost a GE. They are Corbyn, Michael Foot and I'm not certain who the 3rd was.

On the subject of Corbyn's policies, I thought most of them were pretty good but he went too far when he talked about free broadband for everyone.

Just before the GE the LP's policies were put before various focus groups, without the origins being disclosed. In general the focus groups approved them until they were told that they were LP policies, at which point the group members rapidly went off them. MSM at that time rubbished those policies and claimed that they hadn't been properly checked financially. Ironically, Johnson has hi-jacked many of those policies with no one claiming that they wud be too expensive.

This MayBee70- memories are short. And a divided Labour, or one with very LW politicies will repat the result.

But Corbyn had a vision and policies and it has resulted in the Conservatives having such a huge majority that we’re facing the end of democracy as we know it.

It may be shallow of me but lately I have found it a very effective strategy. I know I am on the right path if I am not on the side of the really really crap jokes.

Starmer? Who is Starmer? Never heard them.

It has a very logical basis PippaZ although I accept that you may find logic hard to grasp.
Johnson may have policies and a vision. It doesn't matter. Because if Starmer and the LP have neither they cannot oppose any proposals or offer an alternative solution to any legislation.
This is a thread about Starmer you know and not Johnson.

Anniebach

Not all the ordinary people voted for him, unless you think the
Welsh and Scots are not ordinary people

I'm sorry, but I'm a bit lost in this conversation?.

I've reread it.but I'm not sure what my wondering why people who have principles vote for Johnson has to do with the Welsh and Scots being ordinary.

trisher

I don't think you can defeat a party in government by accusing them of not having policies or a vision if you haven't either yourself. What Johnson wants/does is irrelevant.

Have you read what you have written trisher. It seems to have a very long-distance relationship with logic.

Who needs to have policies and a vision? And your answer is the Leader of the Opposition. I despair

PippaZ

Anniebach

trisher Blair won 3 elections, 3 consecutive elections.

Exactly Annie.

And what would you say is the legacy of those victories?
Social housing - No!
Better schools-No! (just a system the Tories used to remove schools from local control)
Better working conditions- No! (Just a gig economy that exploits the workforce and is reintroducing conditions not seen since the 1930s.)
But feel free to tell me how good he was.If you can find anything.

Anniebach

trisher Blair won 3 elections, 3 consecutive elections.

Exactly Annie.

I have a vision- that a divided Labour, which due to First Past the Post, means Tories again, and again.

If the 'left' of Labour cannot see that - then I truly give up.

Anniebach

trisher you quote Thatcher, can we assume you believed every thing she said ?

I think Mrs Thatcher had great ability and determination. I don't believe everything any politician says.

Not all the ordinary people voted for him, unless you think the
Welsh and Scots are not ordinary people

Anniebach

Because many ‘ordinary prople’ have principles , morals and
self respect

Well, yes. But that doesn't explain why they continue to vote for someone who so blatantly does not.