Northern Ireland is in more danger since Brexit

Nadatetube You are correct too much history behind it all.

I am a British citizen although through heritage (fathers side)
I still struggle to sometimes understand my love and passion for the N. Irish blood that runs through my veins and the family I still have left over there whether they call themselves Irish or British I too need to sign out.

Before I leave this thread, I hope you watched it or maybe could catch up on a great programme and it's our wonderful Adrian Dunbar( of Line of Duty) travelling all around N.Ireland showing the beautiful scenery, hospitality, etc that we have here. That's the real N.Ireland that we love, please ignore the negativities of the place brought on by a small minority. Truthfully, I wouldn't want be living anywhere else.

Here’s a question perhaps those of you who live in Northern Ireland can shed some light on for me. Have any attempts been made to desegregate educational establishments, and do you think if young people were educated together they might come to see each other differently?

Leaving the thread now Alioop and yes I did not know the programme was on with Adrian Dunbar travelling around
N . Ireland but as I flicked through channels it came on and I
watched it. I only watched two of them so will go into the other ones and watch soon.

Line of Duty is on tonight so I will be viewing that.

Greyduster, when the 1921 arrangement was coming to pass the North of Ireland authorities wanted an integrated eduction system as it was believed it would help unite the population of the North and help it move forward. The Roman Catholic Church was not prepared to give up its schools. As a result the state school system became largely populated by children from Protestant homes and the Roman Catholic children by and large went through their own system. There have been attempts during the Troubles to introduce integrated schooling and a few have been set up. How successful they are I do not know. I don't think people on the mainland understand the tight grip the different branches of the Christian faith present in NI had, and have, both politically and historically on the individual congregations/areas. The various branches of Christianity are no longer as contentious a part of British mainland culture. England had its Reformation, the two main branches tussled with one another for some decades but it gradually all settled down to the situation you have today in England where the majority of people don't really get that involved, although you do still have an established Church and it is only in my lifetime that the restriction of a Roman Catholic ascending the throne was removed. As several posters who still live in NI have said most people today mix freely with both sides and hopefully it is changing.

Adrian Dunbar's journey was excellent. I have bookmarked several places to visit when next there.

Thankyou for that explanation, Devorgilla. I’ve always thought it would perhaps be a progressive move toward blurring the sectarian demarcation lines, starting young before views have become entrenched. Hopefully they will damp these current difficulties down and move forward. As I said before the people of Northern Ireland - all of them - deserve better.

I wonder if this will run?

“Boris Johnson allegedly signed the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement on a "fraudulent" basis, the Court of Appeal heard on Monday.
belfasttelegraph.co.uk

The entire brexit nonsense was fraudulent.

The fraudulent referendum in 2016 was ill-conceived, and won by lies and foreign interference.

The fraudulent referendum was won by the billionaire proprietors of the righ-twing press, (all either foreigners or tax exiles) together with Vladimir Putin.

It was a poisoning of the very concept of democracy

This is 29 minutes long. Patrick Kielty is an Irish comedian. It's very good and funny.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p099z1nh

I'm going to listen to that on my phone nadaturbe thanks for the link. I remember reading about him and his father's death. He's a great example of neutrality- and he is very funny.

He is indeed trisher in spite of his father being brutally murdered by loyalists.

nadateturbe

This is 29 minutes long. Patrick Kielty is an Irish comedian. It's very good and funny.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p099z1nh

Thanks for the link, nadaeturbe.

Funny, yes, but unbelievably sad.

I doubt if any of our Leave voters will listen. I posted a long thread of his from twitter a couple of years ago about the effect of the GFA and the threat Brexit posed to it. For the most part it was studiously ignored...

(BTW. I detested Ian Paisley, not because he was Irish, but because he was a blot on the christian religion)

Agree about Paisley, he was a disgrace. The politicians really need to sort this out because it will be so easy to slip back into the previous situation otherwise.

I must look that up MaisieD. The NI problems and history is extremely sad but the Northern Irish humour has helped get us through. I know that's hard to understand.

We'll all be in trouble if Putin kicks off ! Who's going to back us then ? Before Brexit Europe were our " friends " but I'm not so sure now.
I certainly won't be worrying about Northern Ireland.
Fighter jets in this country are being fitted with lasers as we speak in which to zap Putin. Putin is after 6 of his targets who are living in this country and the madman will stop at nothing.

A few countries are on stand-by----because of sanctions made against Russia, including us and the USA.

nadateturbe

I must look that up MaisieD. The NI problems and history is extremely sad but the Northern Irish humour has helped get us through. I know that's hard to understand.

Here's the thread I posted it on:

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1252915-Northern-Ireland-and-Brexit?pg=5

Thanks MaizieD

Putin has already done irreparable damage to this country.

I think we all know why the Vote Leave government did not investigate the Russian interference in the fraudulent referendum of 2016.

Putin will take every chance of mischief making in retaliation for what he sees as unjustified sanctions, regardless of what we think is right or wrong.

UK fighter jets have been sent to Romania to take part in a NATO exercise involving many other nations, the Queen Elizabeth is flagship along with a full complement of new F35 fighters and a carrier strike force. No doubt the US has its own naval forces close by.
Our own spy planes have been flying over Ukraine observing Russian forces. Russia is on full alert, any accidents could flare up into a major confrontation, there is only one ending we are in Russia’s backyard they have far more forces they will win, poke the Russian Bear and he will bite.

Let’s not get “ gung-ho” this is dangerous

Sorry. I don't quite see what Putin has to do with NI.

Wouldn't a whole new thread be more appropriate?

Completely changing the subject mid thread only reinforces the perception that the English aren't interested in NI.

The English may well not be interested in NI but Putin is because his intention is to destabilise the West.

He succeded in getting Trump elected

He suceeded in achieving brexit

His next goal is to break up the UK.

Why did his tv network RT give Farage and Salmond their own shows?

I wonder who is next?

Arlene has been blamed for Brexit. She is a goner.

She and her party were instrumental on inflicting the disaster that is brexit on the UK. Did they ever think through the consequenses? Where was the logic?

On GN we had many threads on the Irish question but they appeared not to see the impossible conundrum.

She’s gone
Not hard line enough
Who is in the running?.