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suziewoozie Mon 12-Apr-21 10:52:14

I can hardly believe I’m going to post this but does anyone else find it hard to believe that Harry and Andrew who actually saw active service for Queen and country are to wear suits for the funeral rather than uniform? I understand why this decision has been made and I think it stinks quite frankly - designed to humlitate. I don’t know why they’re not wearing sackcloth and ashes actually - petty, vindictive, what a lovely family they are.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Apr-21 16:09:57

Elegran

Indeed, it is always better to think the best of someone, not the worst. That applies to Ms Markle thinking the best of people too, instead of the worst.

Yes I agree, and I’m sure she, like yourself, does indeed do just that.

Greyduster Tue 13-Apr-21 16:11:43

dottynan I believe the "r" is worn just underneath the insignia of rank.

Casdon Tue 13-Apr-21 16:13:37

I don’t believe there’s any truth in this, who would tell ‘a friend’ that they are willing to forgive after such a public rift? They would sort it out privately, which is as it should be.

lemongrove Tue 13-Apr-21 16:25:25

Rosie51

Actually, hasn't the OP been disproved? It is not a petty, vindictive act, it's protocol and the law. It was based on rumour anyway, nothing had been announced, and latest "rumour" seems to suggest William won't be in uniform either, but heaven forfend we wait and see what happens on the day ?

I agree Rosie but know from long experience on GN that posters who enjoy a rant on here can never wait for anything to be actually proved as a fact.

Anniebach Tue 13-Apr-21 16:26:26

Did a friend not speak for Meg on tv ? It was posted on this forum, and Meg told friends about the letter to her father

I do not trust her, she announced she was pregnant during a wedding reception for her husband’s cousin.

Now , during the days leading to the funeral a friend again speaks out

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Apr-21 16:26:39

Casdon

I don’t believe there’s any truth in this, who would tell ‘a friend’ that they are willing to forgive after such a public rift? They would sort it out privately, which is as it should be.

I absolutely agree, but those constantly denigrating the DoS will jump on it as another excuse to trash her reputation.

Anniebach Tue 13-Apr-21 16:28:40

No, some will give their opinion , no excuse needed

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Apr-21 16:32:52

Anniebach

No, some will give their opinion , no excuse needed

Imagine that you have a member of your family like the DoS and you found yourself in a similar position.

Would your Christian values hold strong enough to be able to accept her attempts at reconciliation and you would accept her apparent attempts at face value?

maddyone Tue 13-Apr-21 16:56:34

Normally when people forgive someone for wrong that has been done to them, they forgive during a face to face conversation (or via a telephone conversation or a written note/letter) rather than tell a friend who then tells the media.

Alegrias1 Tue 13-Apr-21 17:01:36

"Friends" of the DoS "suggest" things to the Express. They are "insiders" it seems.

You don't think the Express have made this up, do you? ?

I mean it's next to their exposé that the Queen is heartbroken that there are no hymns at the funeral. Claudia Winkleman's mum told them that, so it must be true.

The gullibility of the British public never ceases to amaze.

Elegran Tue 13-Apr-21 17:04:22

Would I leap at forgiveness by one who used attacks on prime-time TV to engineer that illusion of a public "rift", with the "forgiveness" being of people who did not retaliate to her attacks? Would I take notice of hints of so-called forgiveness by "a friend" without any acknowledgement of any wish for "reconciliation" by the author of the rift?

I would wait until contacted directly before responding to what could be a mistaken impression on the part of the friend, which could then be denied if Ms Markle preferred to extend the separation from her inlaws. If she wants reconciliation, she is quite able to go about it herself, as she did the estrangement.

Alegrias1 Tue 13-Apr-21 17:09:07

Ms Markle?

Why aren't we talking about Ms Middleton and Ms Rhys-Jones?

Oh, hang on, I know.

Elegran Tue 13-Apr-21 17:10:34

It does sound very like the "sources who prefer to be anonymous" - that is, "sources who are actually imaginary, but we made them up so that what we are claiming seems more authentic"

If it is authentic, there will be further statements from non-anonymous sources, even possibly from the lady herself.

Elegran Tue 13-Apr-21 17:12:10

We are talking of Ms Markle because she is the lead singer in that duet. The Duke of Sussex is also Mr Meghan Markle.

Alegrias1 Tue 13-Apr-21 17:14:03

Aye, right.....

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Apr-21 17:17:57

Elegran

We are talking of Ms Markle because she is the lead singer in that duet. The Duke of Sussex is also Mr Meghan Markle.

Blimey!

I think your post speaks volumes

eazybee Tue 13-Apr-21 17:25:14

I am assuming that we have no evidence that anyone in the Royal family made any racist remarks to Meghan Markle other than the comments she and her husband made in an extremely dubious interview.
Neither she nor Harry told the same story.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Apr-21 17:28:49

eazybee

I am assuming that we have no evidence that anyone in the Royal family made any racist remarks to Meghan Markle other than the comments she and her husband made in an extremely dubious interview.
Neither she nor Harry told the same story.

I understand that the RF accepted that there was an issue but that it would be dealt with privately. We know that the issue was not with either the Queen or the DoE.

Summerlove Tue 13-Apr-21 17:31:18

dragonfly46

Well this certainly has shown me that some people get away with bullying while others are banned for life for much more minor misdemeanours.

Who decides what’s minor though?

Which case you are referring to, but if you agree with a person who has been banned, you might view their behavior as minor.
If you don’t, it might be seen as much more egregious.
That’s the point of having a neutral moderator.

When in doubt, report.

JaneJudge Tue 13-Apr-21 17:42:08

Pantglas2

“I don’t know why they’re not wearing sackcloth and ashes actually - petty, vindictive, what a lovely family they are.”

The above is the last sentence in the OP, Jane. I don’t see it as acceptable calling a grieving family those names rather than one person, who ever they may be, but apparently it’s ok to do so...according to the OP.

Well, I was just talking about on here, this whole thread has loads of attacks on one poster. I hadn't realised it was an 'attack' on the Royal family. I imagine we have all more in common with one another on here than with the Royal family. None of us have any idea what other people are going through, can't you all just be a bit more kinder to one another.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 13-Apr-21 17:47:13

I think kinder all around would be a good standard

eazybee Tue 13-Apr-21 17:49:41

The point is we don't know anything is true bearing in mind that she made statements that have proved to be false, ie the 'private' wedding three days that was untrue. MM is in no position to 'forgive' anyone until the statements she has made are investigated and verified.

maddyone Tue 13-Apr-21 17:56:20

Pretty much like everyone else on here, I have no idea whether The Duchess of Sussex has informed a ‘friend’ who then informed the media that she forgives the RF of whatever she has accused them of, but apparently it’s been reported that this is the case.
It’s certainly not the accustomed way of forgiving someone. This is merely my observation.

maddyone Tue 13-Apr-21 17:57:10

eazybee

The point is we don't know anything is true bearing in mind that she made statements that have proved to be false, ie the 'private' wedding three days that was untrue. MM is in no position to 'forgive' anyone until the statements she has made are investigated and verified.

I would agree with this.

Callistemon Tue 13-Apr-21 17:57:25

Is it not better to assume the best rather than the worst of a person?

Never assume anything!
That way leads to obfuscation and confusion.

Aren't we always being asked for evidence on GN?