Wills and Harry rift blown out of proportion

Alegrias1

So are we blaming him now for things he hasn't done but you have all imagined he might do in the future?

OK, I get it. I understood fine Ellianne

Yes - and in addition to blaming him for things he never did.

Ellianne

I am interested in the future Alegrias because that is where my children and grand children are going to spend the rest of their lives.
It is possible to surmise without blame.

Then lets stop all the RF flying anywhere. After all if we keep them here and people have to come here to see them it will increase the tourist trade-oh but hang on! That will mean more people flying!!

Some people have jobs which mean they have to fly ,

I only flew into this thread on page 6 and will now be flying out on page 7 to a sunnier destination. Maybe I can sympathise with Harry on that one!

Lucky you Ellianne. I'm only on page 2 so have a long journey ahead unless I find a congenial stopover.

Is this where the term 'Hooray Henries' comes from?

Anyone questioning at all is wicked, for the others he can do no wrong. Hooray Henry!!

The republicans applauded him, not because they like or respect him, he put the boot in on his family

Nothing to do with putting the boot in on anyone. Just with not understanding why someone has to behave a certain way because of the circumstances they were born into. It seems to me everyone should have free choice and not have to fulfill a role they obviously didn't want. As for speaking out isn't that what we all want when people feel abused or have mental health problems. The idea seems to be that only some can do that and others must keep quiet.

Anniebach

The republicans applauded him, not because they like or respect him, he put the boot in on his family

Absolute nonsense - the republicans. (As you call anyone who doesn’t wholesale criticise harry Meghan and Diana) , probably aren’t that keen on harry either but they certainly don’t “like him because he “put the boot in”.

trisher

Nothing to do with putting the boot in on anyone. Just with not understanding why someone has to behave a certain way because of the circumstances they were born into. It seems to me everyone should have free choice and not have to fulfill a role they obviously didn't want. As for speaking out isn't that what we all want when people feel abused or have mental health problems. The idea seems to be that only some can do that and others must keep quiet.

Of course Harry was able to decide to leave royal life, and of course people should talk about their mental health difficulties or abuse. Normally this isn’t done on television and broadcast to the world though is it? It’s normally done between a therapist and a client, or privately between family members, or between the police and a victim, if a crime has been committed.

I don't agree that criticism of H is due to people not understanding that "everyone should have free choice and not have to full fill a role they obviously didn't want".

Of course he had every right to walk away but he had no right to assume that he would have all the benefits he used to have for being a working royal, when he's no longer one.

There's an enormous difference between "speaking out" and appearing on American TV with America's top host Oprah to make unsubstantiated allegations, not to mention telling out right lies, about one's own family and/or the family one's married into.

M very rarely if ever, comes out with the same story twice. She was advised by her physician not to fly due to her pregnancy, fair enough but then we are told that she didn't want to attend the funeral and be the centre of attention.

TBH I don't know whether to be annoyed at her total lack of sensitivity and over inflated opinion of herself, or feel sorry for her.

H has a telephone conversation with his brother and the next day, M's friend Gayle King on CBS is telling anyone who will listen that it was "unproductive". Where did that come from? Did H tell M in confidence, not expecting her to make it public or did she let it be known with his blessing?

I just cannot understand how anyone can see how the pair of them have behaved and advocate that they've done nothing wrong.

Harry had every right to opt out, but he wanted one foot in and
one out, then threw a wobbly because security was withdrawn.

I just cannot understand how anyone can see how the pair of them have behaved and advocate that they've done nothing wrong.

Maybe its just that those of us who get dubbed "Meghan supporters" can't for the life of us understand how anybody can get so worked up about a couple of famous people on a chat show talking about their lives and a family we've never met. Or understand how grudges can be kept for weeks about someone who has no impact on our lives whatsoever.

Are they grudges or just acknowledgement that poor behaviour weeks ago hasn't become less poor just because of the passage of time? I'm no royalist, much more tended to the republican, but I'm able to see that H & M's behaviour has been reprehensible. If we only ever concern ourselves with that which has an impact on our own lives then do we abstain from comment on all unfairness in this world if it doesn't touch us personally?

Its been nearly 2 months and we still have detailed comments about that interview on an almost daily basis.

Nobody talks any more about Andrew's little secrets. Brexit has disappeared from the threads. Politics doesn't get much attention.

Its grudges.

Oh I disagree, Andrew's alleged behaviour is raised, he's referred to as a paedophile by some, despite there hasn't been any trial. I'm pretty sure I still see references to Brexit, especially when it can be used as a weapon against those who voted leave. For the record I'm a remainer, and would rejoin tomorrow given the chance.

What about my second sentence, are we only to concern ourselves with those people or actions which have an impact on our lives?

There are several well informed posters on the political threads and on the Brexit threads.
There are several knowledgeable posters on the many coronavirus threads.
The M & H threads attract far more diverse views because almost everyone has experienced family issues of disappointment and trust, however small.
There was a very wise gran on these threads. She might have been a psychotherapist {?} and she explained we all see things from our own experiences so views will vary.
I think she disappeared from the discussions, which is a shame.

I understand what you are saying Rosie51 but what is it that makes them so awful that 8 weeks or so after the interview there is such a focus on who said what to whom, what they meant, how ungrateful they are, what hypocrites they are....etc, etc.

Is it really that we are seeing a reflection of our own lives in what they are doing? Of course we should be interested in many things whether they directly touch us or not, but not to the point of obsession.

Its grudges.
Yes, but lots of families have grudges of one kind or another but don't air them on Oprah.

Some people manage to overcome them, others nurse and nurture them until they grow into a monster.

You owe it to yourself to forgive and forget. Holding grudges is like punishing yourself for others' actions and rewarding them for hurting you.
Majid Kazmi
Grudges are for those who insist that they are owed something; forgiveness, however, is for those who are substantial enough to move on.
Criss Jami

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9496189/Prince-Philip-funeral-Prince-Harry-met-Queen-privately-twice-sources-claim.html

Didn't take Omid Scobie long did it?

Smileless “ I just cannot understand how anyone can see how the pair of them have behaved and advocate that they've done nothing wrong.”

For the record I think they have been wrong in some of the things they have apparently done. Diana was wrong in some of the things she did. That doesn’t mean I agree with non stop criticism of their every move. And as Alegrias said, it just keeps being brought up again and again ......

merlotgran

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9496189/Prince-Philip-funeral-Prince-Harry-met-Queen-privately-twice-sources-claim.html

Didn't take Omid Scobie long did it?

Against my better judgement I clicked on the link. What is your issue with the article? It just says what happened, as far as I can see ?

It is no different in essence than the‘ tongue wagging‘ that goes on in many villages, towns & communities , the difference being is that money can be made by others from this particular couple & from many others who’s lives are lived in the spotlight either by choice or because they have No choice.

Ellianne

^He came back for his grandfather's funeral. He'll probably come back for the unveiling of the statue to his mother.^
I think you misunderstand Alegrias. Its not just the one isolated event (the funeral) we are talking about but the ramifications for many future trips for years to come. And as was also pointed out the environmental issues as Greta was keen to fight for and the Sussexs seemed to agree with.

...so he should never come see his family?

Lucca

merlotgran

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9496189/Prince-Philip-funeral-Prince-Harry-met-Queen-privately-twice-sources-claim.html

Didn't take Omid Scobie long did it?

Against my better judgement I clicked on the link. What is your issue with the article? It just says what happened, as far as I can see ?

I said upthread that Omid Scobie would be sharpening his pencil.

No issue, just a comment.

Further 'leaks' to follow no doubt.