What I think will happen tomorrow

Watching Grant Shapps on tonight’s briefing looks like he was in the new briefing room.

Keir Starmer will be welcomed in Wales, Labour are doing well here, bucking the trend in England and increasing vote share in a number of the seats declared so far, I’m glued to my seat. The nations of the UK are dividing politically, it’s going to be interesting to see what happens next.

MerylStreep

Suziewoozie
Is that to drown your sorrows or to celebrate that it wasn’t worse. That’s if it could have been ?

I have no sorrows to drown - no surprises overall as yet.

MerylStreep

Tickingbird
I like your last sentence ?
Personally, I’m over the moon that the people of Hartlepool have given the Labour Party the finger.
The Westminster elite have had contempt for these people for how long?
But now at long last those people have shown their contempt for the Labour Party.

Surely the Westminster elite comprises more than one party? And it's not the LP that has the majority. Or have the Tories suddenly developed a true understanding of the working poor?

Suziewoozie
Is that to drown your sorrows or to celebrate that it wasn’t worse. That’s if it could have been ?

Aepgirl

.Just watched Keir Starmer squirming - a real treat.

Why was it a treat ? I’ve got a decent bottle of Bordeaux waiting for me this evening, that’s a treat.?

I thought Kier Starmer looked like the rabbit in the headlights.
As in: where the hell did that come from ?

.Just watched Keir Starmer squirming - a real treat.

Good post JE ?

Is it that the people of Hartlepool feel that getting on for fifty years under Labour was more than enough time for them to show what they’re made of, in terms of getting things done?

A journalist was in the town earlier, speaking to people about how they voted and why.
Those who had voted Tory made the point that Boris said he would deliver Brexit and he did. He was also praised for the vaccine rollout success, so they could see for themselves which political party had a proven track record for getting things done.

Interestingly the journalist also noted how many people referred to the PM as Boris which I think is an indication of how they feel about him.

It’s been said many times that people don’t know what Labour stands for any more, other than latching on to the latest daft bandwagon which has no significance whatsoever for the majority of people.

Nannan2

General election is whats need but they darent have one.

Majority Parliament, GE not needed until 2024.

Ninn

Good grief MazieD! Whatever echo chamber you are in must be an alarming experience. Where I live (NW) we are progressive, pro the idealism of socialism, with a small s, and despite the pandemic, there is a huge expansion in jobs, a steady growth of independent businesses, well cared for green spaces, improved living conditions for renters, and support for working people of all stripes. Many really interesting initiatives to benefit our community have not only been proposed but initiated. It's great to live in a city that's on the rise. And all thanks to Labour.

Same can be said about my area, very involved with renewables, producing more green electricity than anywhere else in the country, business moving to the area, film . All under a Conservative council.

suziewoozie

Lin52 it would really help if you referenced the post/poster you are responding to. You could use the Quote facility. As it is, I often can’t make head nor tail of your posts

I do beg your pardon, am new on here and didn’t know about the Quote. Don’t worry have learnt it now.

Grany

Labour lost Hartlepool

52.5% of people voted for Labour in Hartlepool in 2017 and 37.7% people voted for Labour in 2019, a figure which has now collapsed to 28.7%.

This is the lowest vote share for a Labour candidate since 1943
This is a 16% swing from 2019 to the Tories
The Tory vote is up 23% since 2019

Some people will blame Corbyn for this result

Think the hard left Momentum is to blame. People dislike them as much as the hard right.

growstuff

Theoddbird

Growsstuff....it obviously says that people are voting conservative...thought that was obvious. But maybe you could not see that...hahaha

I was hoping for an informative reply, but never mind.

I'll try again.

Why do you think people have voted Conservative?

Well growstuff in my opinion, Keir Starmer’s role in trying to reverse the Brexit referendum result will never be forgotten. If he had an ounce of decency he would have quit politics when he failed to reverse engineer a democratic vote for 4 long years.

We will never forget.

And taking the knee was a bolt-on.

Bijou

I haven’t read all the posts on this subject but it is my opinion that a lot of people didn’t bother to vote and/or are not interested.

It certainly seems that way in Hartlepool at least. The turnout was 42.55%, which I find a bit baffling.

I haven’t read all the posts on this subject but it is my opinion that a lot of people didn’t bother to vote and/or are not interested.

Alegrias1

Interesting....

We can post facts about the educational levels in constituencies that voted for Brexit, and there are indignant GNers all over the place.

But its OK to suggest that people who support Labour are less "properly adjusted"?

It would all make a wonderful script for a sitcom about hypocrisy.

Theoddbird

Growsstuff....it obviously says that people are voting conservative...thought that was obvious. But maybe you could not see that...hahaha

I was hoping for an informative reply, but never mind.

I'll try again.

Why do you think people have voted Conservative?

Thank you Buttercup1954! ?

Who on the Labour side decided a candidate, who as an MP had declared Brexit a disaster and voted against it many times in Parliament, was a good choice in a constituency (Hartlepool) that had just about the highest "Leave" majority in the country?

Seems Labour are out of touch with their core base.

Thanks for the crumbs of comfort, Varian. I see that Stockport is still No Overall Control but with the LDs now with one more seat than Labour and expecting to be the leading party for the next four years.

The LibDems have gained four councillors in Sunderland

Leeds22 posts -" I’m seriously worried about the demise of moderate Labour and Lib Dems."

I cannot remember a time when people did not write off the chances of the LibDems, but here's a result from yesterday-

Sandhill Ward, Sunderland-

Lib Dem (Edgeworth) - 1274
UKIP - 66
Populist - 38
Conservative - 320
Labour - 812

Lib Dem GAIN from Labour

Nannan2, I voted as well, but it needed more people to vote for any party except the Conservatives, and that simply didn’t happen.

I am not at all surprised by the result. Keir Starmer wouldn't recognise a socialist principle if it jumped up and bit him. He has sacrificed the left without managing to make any impact on the centrist vote. I know many people on the left who couldn't bring themselves to vote Labour under the current leadership. I dithered and thought about voting Green but reluctantly stuck with Labour. Starmer may not care about the loss of the left votes, and all the lefties who would turn out to campaign for the party, but he hasn't won new supporters to replace them. He has had no real impact on anyone.

As for the Tories... Well, if lying, bullying, giving jobs to your mates that they're not qualified to do, dishing out billions of pounds worth of contracts without tender to your cronies, and having thousands of people die because of your incompetence... if that doesn't dent your appeal to the electorate, presumably nothing will.