What I think will happen tomorrow

PippaZ

Often not GrannyGravy. That's why I am not a party member and why I join in on a forum where there are members of parties who might be able to enlighten me - if they can get past the vicious personal comments about those who are part of the LP. I have yet to find many on the right with minds of their own let alone the ideas - they are like people who change their support of football teams - from winner to winner just so they can shout "we won" and a stream of abuse. And we all know what everyone thinks of those football supporters.

I do not belong to any political party either.

I am not a devoted Boris Johnson fan.

My cross on the ballot paper this time was for two different parties.

I wish that there was a centrist party. (cannot see one emerging any time soon)

I would like to see an opposition party with some fight in it one that could hold the Government to account and question its actions. I am aware that due to Covid this has been difficult, however unless Labour collect their thoughts and aims they will be in the political wilderness for the foreseeable future. Which is why I suggested that they need to rally the grassroots of the party to get out into communities and actually find out what people want and the reasons why they are deserting the Labour Party.

As I see it Boris Johnson got elected on getting Brexit done and many of the electorate see that he kept his promise whether the deal be good or bad. Along came Covid and then the vaccine programme, they see doors and opportunities opening up again regardless of No.11’s curtains and the old boys network.

Urmstogran. I am somewhat puzzled - I like to keep an open mind on things but cannot get my head around the fact that anyone would think it is NOT a good idea to deport murderers and rapists!! The alternative is to keep them here until release when they can give a repeat performance. Unwise, surely.

Often not GrannyGravy. That's why I am not a party member and why I join in on a forum where there are members of parties who might be able to enlighten me - if they can get past the vicious personal comments about those who are part of the LP. I have yet to find many on the right with minds of their own let alone the ideas - they are like people who change their support of football teams - from winner to winner just so they can shout "we won" and a stream of abuse. And we all know what everyone thinks of those football supporters.

PippaZ so you have no ideas of your own then?

Just repeating the same again and again but not saying anything.

GrannyGravy13

*PippaZ*. how do you think the Labour Party can connect to the electorate without going out and having a dialogue?

I think the whole of the left in politics has is challenged by the fact that it is split. If you want to vote right of centre and you aren't a "Bozo the clown" groupie then you are in ... difficulties. Or you would think you are but then said Bozo has promised that he is all things to all men (and particularly women) so you vote for the only party available. No thinking involve folks [hurray].

I don't think the question is can the LP connect the small proportion of the electorate that can and do vote after all we don't even know what you mean by "connect" with the public; it's yet another Demonic style phrase - I just hope it isn't the same as Bozo would have us think. I bet none of those chiming it out knows what they mean by it either. More hot air.

tickingbird

*I think that’s a perfectly valid and reasonable opinion to hold. A good example of how to criticise a politician without resorting to cheap jibes.*

Something you would never do eh Suzie? Really? I mean really? ?

Well join the club ???Actually you may be a founder member

Urmstongran

It’s close up in Scotland.

You think so?

And tighter than I thought it would be between Sadiq Khan and Shaun Bailey!

It’s close up in Scotland.

I think that’s a perfectly valid and reasonable opinion to hold. A good example of how to criticise a politician without resorting to cheap jibes.

Something you would never do eh Suzie? Really? I mean really? ?

21000 fewer people turned out to vote in 2021 than in 2017. In 2017 Labour won with 21,969 votes. The Conservative vote was split between conservative and Brexit. In 2021 the Conservative won with 15,529. It's not difficult to work out that some of the missing voters would have been socialists who couldn't see a party they could vote for.

I think its going to rain all day! Again!??⛈☔

PippaZ. how do you think the Labour Party can connect to the electorate without going out and having a dialogue?

I'm not "the Labour Party" GrannyGravy13 and I have "listened" to people on here and they say nothing other than "listen to the people"; it's the latest chant. So we do but all "the people" are tripping out is mindless nonsense about what everyone else - not "the Labour Party" - are doing that those who will never vote Labour anyway don't like.

I keep saying it but there is nothing more in these points than there is on the inside of a balloon. It's an attempt to ... I have no idea, claim buddies, think they are clever, show what good little cult members they are ... who knows.

Just like the article, you offered it is all a culture war and, it seems, I am not of the Boris for dictator culture, and I hope it will never get to the stage where I am forced to be.

PippaZ

Urmstongran

Why are you telling Labour what to do. It seems very clear you have absolutely no interest in them winning?

I think Labour would be in with half a shout if they dumped the workery. It only appeals to a minority. That’s why the majority don’t vote for them at present.

As I have been saying you (and others) followed the cult of Brexit - no policies to be seen but lots of jargon that means nothing and now you are following the cult of Boris. Again no policies and lots of catch phrases that mean nothing - just as "wokery" means nothing to most people.

What exactly do you want people - it is not "the Labour Party" after all although it pleases you to tar them with it - to do?

Maybe it might be a good idea if the Labour Party actually listened to what the men/women on the street are actually saying, what they care about and what they worry about as opposed to what the Labour Party and its activists think they should worry and care about?

Urmstongran

^Why are you telling Labour what to do. It seems very clear you have absolutely no interest in them winning?^

I think Labour would be in with half a shout if they dumped the workery. It only appeals to a minority. That’s why the majority don’t vote for them at present.

As I have been saying you (and others) followed the cult of Brexit - no policies to be seen but lots of jargon that means nothing and now you are following the cult of Boris. Again no policies and lots of catch phrases that mean nothing - just as "wokery" means nothing to most people.

What exactly do you want people - it is not "the Labour Party" after all although it pleases you to tar them with it - to do?

Urmstongran

Well. - According to Diane Abbott's great reasoning Labour lost because they were not Left wing enough.

So, erm, that's why the good people of Hartlepool voted for a more Right wing party?

You couldn’t make this stuff up.

I said the same as you Anniebach really.
Not that sw would ever give me credit!

Why are you telling Labour what to do. It seems very clear you have absolutely no interest in them winning?

I think Labour would be in with half a shout if they dumped the workery. It only appeals to a minority. That’s why the majority don’t vote for them at present.

janeainsworth

suzie I agree with you, I think the breadth of vision comes from education in its broadest sense & a good leader listens to, as well as draws on the strengths of the team, rather than developing a cult of personal celebrity.

And somewhere in the mix has to come the thorny issue of leading in a direction that is ‘right’ but not necessarily ‘popular’. There are many examples of socially liberal policies that had they been put to a referendum would not have been approved - or at least not without hard work beforehand. I still think how the Irish Government handled the abortion referendum was a master class in moving a country forward by taking them with you whilst having the political vision and courage that the change had to happen.

Urmstongran

Stop pushing policies that only appeal to woke, Marxist activists....

Ditch the lunatics like Dawn (babies are born without sex) Butler and stop jumping on every divisive, virtue signalling bandwagon that passes by.

That’ll be a start Labour. Until then it’s a spell in the political wilderness.

It really is all about personalities and cultures isn't it Urmstongran. You simply dont care about policies. This is not intended as rude but do you really want a far-right government because this is where this lack of vision will take us.

Why are you telling Labour what to do. It seems very clear you have absolutely no interest in them winning?

It all seems a very "Love Island" view of life.

Anniebach

Diane Abbott seems to have forgotten the Labour Party lost two general elections because voters didn’t want the country run by the left.

I think that’s a perfectly valid and reasonable opinion to hold. A good example of how to criticise a politician without resorting to cheap jibes.

Stop pushing policies that only appeal to woke, Marxist activists....

Ditch the lunatics like Dawn (babies are born without sex) Butler and stop jumping on every divisive, virtue signalling bandwagon that passes by.

That’ll be a start Labour. Until then it’s a spell in the political wilderness.

Suziewoozie

FGS - really? Really ? Really ?Really?

You bet really. Every word!

tickingbird

Urmstongran

According to Diane Abbott's great reasoning

You couldn’t make this stuff up

Diane Abbott can make anything up, especially if it involves basic arithmetic ?

All this personality politics leads directly to right-wing nationalism. Mind you I begin to think more people want that than I would originally have believed.

Unless they are doing something illegal it's the policies that matter and how they will achieve a fair society but then, more than I would have originally have thought don't want that either do they?

But Labour - If you only represent minority groups how can you expect support from the majority?

I still maintain that Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner taking the knee in his office badly weakened their appeal for the majority of voters.